Chinese Economics Thread

[Dolcevita]

5 Axis CNC machines are old news!!
6-9 Axis CNC is where it is at!

Seriously, I read about this like atleast 5-6 years ago - I remember there was a picture of some chinese engineers celebrating their first LARGE SCALE 6 axis CNC machine cutting a very large turbine blade from solid metal blo

Can't find the picture now, but I remember it was talked about on defencetalk.

Japan has a large CNC machine tool industry and its main market is China. Does anyone know how it compares?

 

[Martian]

Chinese dominance continues in machine tools

Japan has a large CNC machine tool industry and its main market is China. Does anyone know how it compares?

China is both the world's largest machine tool manufacturer and consumer. "By value, four out of every ten machine tools produced anywhere in the world last year went into a Chinese factory."

World ranks of machine tool manufacturers:

1. China -- "30% of total world production"
2. Japan
3. Germany
4. Italy
5. South Korea
6. Taiwan
7. Switzerland
8. United States

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THE WORLD SURVEY AT A GLANCE​

Machine-tool builders around the world generally started emerging from the recession, as 2010 total output by the 28 principal producing countries grows to $66.3-billion. That represents a 21% gain from 2009’s $54.7-billion, which had been a drop of one-third from 2008.

Chinese dominance continues. China for years has been the largest consumer of machine tools, and in 2009 it became number-one producer, as well. For 2010 that leadership continues as the country makes substantial gains in shipments and increases its share to 30% of total world production. With a huge internal appetite, however, China keeps much of its output at home, and its machines are seen little in Western markets.

Japan’s machine-tool-producing industry bounces back smartly after suffering a crippling 2009 decline of 59% (measured in yen). It regains number-two spot among producing countries. The German sector, which had not been hit as hard the previous year, shows a continuing drop of 5% and comes in third. The U.S. also suffers an ongoing slump and slips to eighth place, after Italy, South Korea, Taiwan and Switzerland.

On the consumption side of the equation, China is estimated to have made further gains, via boosts in both imports and domestic production, and thus is far and away the world’s largest consumer of machine tools, installing $27.3-billion. By value, four out of every ten machine tools produced anywhere in the world last year went into a Chinese factory. Germany is next with $5-billion; the U.S. buys $2.7-billion.

 

[pugachev_diver]

Nambia? no offense, but I read many posts in the past that they can't even drive a tank straight. The education rate in those areas are significantly lower than those in East Asia. If you notice the air forces in those countries, you'll notice significantly higher crash rates than those in the jets' countries of origin. a lot of times it's as simple as not doing it properly instead of reliability issues.

 

[bladerunner]

The decision to buy these engines was highly controversial because we had a perfectly good locomotive workshop in New Zealand which was more than capable of making our own engines.Hundreds got laid off with the decision to purchase from China.

What strengthend the oppositions case was that a couple of years earlier we had taken delivery of rolling stock that we had a lot of trouble with and they were made by the same company. After sales service was pretty bad when it came to getting parts.
Apparently Malaysia had some inniatial problems with theirs which was promptly sorted, Pakistan which also had problems, im not so sure about.

Supposedly this was the first time a WESTERN country had purchased locomotives from China,sos im thinking in China there would have been orders from the top to try a whole lot harder

and even in NZ heads will roll if we have problems, that you can count on.

 

[antiterror13]

The decision to buy these engines was highly controversial because we had a perfectly good locomotive workshop in New Zealand which was more than capable of making our own engines.Hundreds got laid off with the decision to purchase from China.

What strengthend the oppositions case was that a couple of years earlier we had taken delivery of rolling stock that we had a lot of trouble with and they were made by the same company. After sales service was pretty bad when it came to getting parts.
Apparently Malaysia had some inniatial problems with theirs which was promptly sorted, Pakistan which also had problems, im not so sure about.

Supposedly this was the first time a WESTERN country had purchased locomotives from China,sos im thinking in China there would have been orders from the top to try a whole lot harder

and even in NZ heads will roll if we have problems, that you can count on.

NZ has never had the capability of making loco engines, yes you're right we had a good loco workshop, but it wasn't engine manufacturer, just for maintenance. I know exactly, as my wife used to work for UG Rail which maintained locos for Kiwi Rail

 

[bladerunner]

NZ has never had the capability of making loco engines, yes you're right we had a good loco workshop, but it wasn't engine manufacturer, just for maintenance. I know exactly, as my wife used to work for UG Rail which maintained locos for Kiwi Rail

Actually we also had a good workshop in Auckland as well. If i remember correctly about the diesels locomotive, the proposal was to import the necessary parts and assemble them at the Hutt worshops? I guess in some ways it was a bit like the buses. import the chassis and engine but the body work was local content.

So I hope Im not confusing you with my use of the word "engine" By that I mean the locamotive, not engine as in "motor"

What we do need is a new mainline, our one is so rundown and pathetic, China could help us build a new one as I reckon our slow trains are slower than China's, You want to travel pn the Wellngton Akld line, its excruciating

We also had a useful car assembly plant, Honda Toyota Nissan Mazda, until our gutless politicians sold us down the creek.

 

[Engineer]

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Can you not red? I said throw money, invest wisely.

Which is what I meant by throwing money at a problem. Your argument is nothing but pure fantasy and will not happen. Let us stick to reality.

Who really does? From the people I've talked to, we don't mind.

But that's only because we're not at war with China. The moment war starts, Americans will revert back to a WW2-esque thought pattern, save money, work hard.

If Americans are willing to work for such low wage, there wouldn't be any outsourcing in the first place. US, not China, would have been the manufacturing powerhouse today. Your claim violates fundamental economic principles, and completely ignores reality.

Current capabilities are irrelevant as we are talking about the future. China cannot survive without the west, and without quoting again, you need money to maintain infrastructure, money China will run out of without the West.

Potentials are capabilities that are non-existent. They are nothing but conjectures and thus irrelevant. Your claim that we are talking about the future is an

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. While it is true that we are talking about the future, we are talking about the immediate future where we ask what would happen if the West blockade China tomorrow, not what would happen 50 years down the road if everything happens according to your fantasy. Hence we have to infer from current capabilities. Again, if the West could, they would have boycotted China already. But the West hasn't, because they can't, and part of the reasons is that they can't survive without China.

Also, China has already self sustain itself in terms of investments. Not only does China not need Western investments anymore, Western investments are actually detrimental to China's economy at this point in time -- they make the economy too hot, and couldn't be controlled by China's monetary policies.

 

[Engineer]

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Who's to say that turning them into workhorses is impossible?

Who's to say that turning them into workhorses is possible?

As unlikely as a Sino-American split is to occur, it is indeed VERY likely we'll turn to the labor markets down there to fill the gap. It won't be perfect, but they can do the gist of what China can. You don't need much to produce t-shirts and plastic toys.

What are you talking about? Like I said, that "cost of living" will only rise temporarily. China doesn't produce too much that is difficult to produce elsewhere.

It isn't about whether it is difficult to produce T-shirts and plastic toys. It's about stability, infrastructures, proficient workforce, and logistic. It isn't much good to produce T-shirts and plastic toys if you can't ship them out, or when you do get to ship them out but get robbed.

It, by definition, is not slavery.

By definition, neither is paying workers 10E-9 dollars a day and give them food and shelter, which was what slave owners did. Go get a grip!

 

[bladerunner]

Re South America
Essentially what IronsightSniper views on the capabilities of South America are true. It has the people and resources. What it needs is the political will and the people with the foresight and skills to make it happen.

 

[solarz]

Re South America
Essentially what IronsightSniper views on the capabilities of South America are true. It has the people and resources. What it needs is the political will and the people with the foresight and skills to make it happen.

You know, you could say the same thing of Africa as well. Doesn't mean the "political will" and "foresight" will happen.