Chinese Economics Thread

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
That's the usual habit of western media. Rather than reporting on facts, they report on spins and wishful thinking to influence readers.
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"Western Media"? what is it? A internet search doest reveal any such entity.So if you are quoting from a non existentent entitythen your allegations lack any credibility whatsoever.

So you think Chinese encrochment goes without any resentment? what about those outbreaks of violence againts the chinese in Africa and PNGthat spontaneously rose without any known encouragement from western govts , figments of ones imagination I suppose.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Love how the guy who lied about a fake unfair trade onslaught of chicken exports from China to the US when it was actually the US with the surplus is lecturing about fallacious arguments and credibility. :eek:
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Love how the guy who lied about a fake unfair trade onslaught of chicken exports from China to the US when it was actually the US with the surplus is lecturing about fallacious arguments and credibility. :eek:

like how you like to jump around when you floundering, you cant even stick to the subject in hand

Actually I did no such thing "RE chicken" I used the word "unlimited" Show me where I even come close to mentioning any implication of unfareness. Futhermore the press release from Chinese sources never spoke of any restrictions, therefore its reasonable to asume that there wasnt any. It would be ridiculous to argue such a scenario when figures released by the Chinese spokesman indicated China is a nett importer of Chicken and thus not a threat to the America chicken industry..

Face up to it buddy in your paranoia you came out with both fists swinging until oops you realised you couldnt prove your case as evidenced by some of your final words below




" You were talking about other countries and their unfair trade and somehow you wanted to lump in China by bringing up chicken out of nowhere. "

And futhermore when I asked you what the new permitted export tonnage was you couldnt come up with the answer

ActuallyI quite convinced you never even bothered to read Martians article in its entirety if at all.LOL

B/You also wanna revisit some of the allegations--- you write such as the horrible Western Companies indirectly forcing the Chinese companies to use lead paint in their products., (with no proof) Added to that there were multiple times more indigenous Chinese companies doing the same thing without much bidding.

C/What really "takes the cake" Is blaming the aminosity of the ethnic Indonesians towards the Chinese , on the British opium trade. The Chinese were in Indonesia early 17th , well before the british came along. They had already caused friction by dispossessing the local nobility of their lands and other riches.

Talk about a gluton for punishment
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I love it. That's what happens when you're hypocritical enough to accuse others of fallicious arguments and credibility problems. Of course you don't want me to bring it up because you just want to make everyone think you never fabricated anything when I caught you doing it. You lying just to make your arguments should be a mark on you and a I will remind you and everyone here about it especially when you attack others for fallaciousness or their credibility. You're in no position to do so. Think about it. If your "facts" say it all, then why did you need to lie?

Do you know what it means to have a trade surplus? It means one sends more than the other guy? You accuse China of unfairly exporting as much chicken it wants, "unlimited" as you put it, to the US and the US is in turn restricted by unfair trade practices from sending chicken to China. The link I posted says chicken is one of the top ten trade surpluses the US has with China. Meaning what you charged was absolutely wrong and you fabricated it. You can't argue with that and you seem to think you could.

What imaginary punishment are you delivering? Are you getting things mixed up again when you're the one that was caught lying?
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Ha you cant even meet my first request

And obviously embarrased by being shown up in his misleading allegations in point B and C.

You are quite welcome to argue about chickens until they come home to roost if you want to talk to your self , me im moving on. Talking to someone who seems quite paranoid can be quite tiresome.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
You are quite welcome to argue about chickens until they come home to roost if you want to talk to your self , me im moving on. Talking to someone who seems quite paranoid can be quite tiresome.

Paranoia is seeing unfounded imaginary threats. Just like being overwhelmed by chicken. Or how about seeing a threat from Chinese girls wearing Hello Kitty t-shirts walking across the street?
 
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kroko

Senior Member
And I think your saying of "investment creates bubbles therefore unsustainable, collapse" is far too simplistic. If too much investment occurs, but you require investment then that's not a bad thing.

IMO, Investment is only too much when its wasteful. Due to distortions caused by the fact that they rely on the state for backup, SOEs make wasteful investments. Thats why chinas banks will collect huge amounts of bad loans due to the loans made in the stimulus program in the last 2,5 years (when beijing "ordered" the banks to loan)

But I don't know where you got the idea that no one's said China's economy is unbalanced, I don't think there's any person on this forum who would say China's economy is perfect, whether they're pro or anti.
Yes China's economy is unbalanced. Every economy is unbalanced, no big deal...

there is different degrees of unbalanced. To have wholy important sections of the economy dominated with SOEs is bad.
 

Martian

Senior Member
Creating World-Class Companies

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"Creating World-Class Companies
By LAN XINZHEN
UPDATED: March 6, 2011 (NO. 10 MARCH 10, 2011)

China sets the bar high for its central SOEs to become competitors with major global enterprises

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POWER PROVIDER: A rotor is installed at the Three Gorges power plant. China Gezhouba (Group) Corp., a central SOE responsible for this project, is best known for building the largest hydropower hub on the Yangtze River (ZHENG JIAYU)

China's centrally administrated state-owned enterprises (SOEs), or central SOEs, have been playing an integral role in China's economic and social development. Major projects like the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, the Three Gorges Project and electricity transmission from west to east China, west-to-east electricity and gas transmission, and south-to-north water diversion have all been realized with the expertise and hard work of these enterprises.

"Over the course of the 12th Five-Year Plan (2011-15), we will use every resource at our disposal to create a batch of large enterprises and groups that will compete with multinationals in the international market," said Shao Ning, Vice Chairman of the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission (SASAC) of the State Council, at a press conference on February 22 in Beijing.

This target was proposed on the basis of central SOEs' role in China's development and the country's overall development strategy, said Shao.

Through decades of reform and development the vitality and competitiveness of central SOEs have been greatly boosted. Some of them are close reaching world advanced status while some have already become world leaders.

In 2010, 30 central SOEs have been ranked among the Fortune Global 500, 20 more than in 2005. Sinopec, State Grid and PetroChina even ranked among the top 10.

Economic backbones

The development quality and economic returns from central SOEs improved many-fold during the 11th Five-Year Plan (2006-10).

When SASAC, the investor, supervisor and manager of central SOEs, was established in 2003, China had 197 central SOEs. After years of reorganization and integration, the number of central SOEs has shrunk to 121.

SASAC's data show, from 2006 to 2010, total assets of central SOEs increased from 10.5 trillion yuan ($1.6 trillion) to 24.3 trillion yuan ($3.7 trillion), with an average annual growth rate of 18.2 percent. Their assets in 2010 accounted for more than 60 percent of the country's GDP. From 2006 to May 2010, taxes paid by central SOEs totaled 5 trillion yuan ($761 billion).

By the end of 2009, 156.13 billion yuan ($23.8 billion) of state-owned shares had been transferred to the country's Social Security Fund, accounting for 41 percent of the fiscal revenues of the fund.

Central SOEs in petroleum and petrochemical, electric power, food and transportation industries have actively followed the country's economic operating schedule and have done plenty of work to ensure steady and rapid economic development, said Shao.

Central SOEs' capability of sci-tech research and development and indigenous innovation has improved during the 11th Five-Year Plan. From 2006 to 2009, central SOEs' investment in technology, growing at an average annual 28.5 percent, accounted for 2.1 percent of their revenues.

By the end of 2009, the number of total patents held by central SOEs had reached 76,138, 21,266 of which were patents for inventions. Meanwhile, 46.2 percent of state key laboratories have been established in central SOEs. Central SOEs have also designed the world's fastest multiple unit trains and conducted the first trial project of ultra-high voltage and the first trial project of direct coal liquefaction in China.


Successful reform

Shao attributes the central SOEs' rapid progress to the SOE reform initiated more than two decades ago.

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STRONG SOE: An auto frame hangs over the assembly line at Donfeng Motor Corp.'s heavy truck manufacturing base in Shiyan, central China's Hubei Province. Dongfeng is one of China's largest state-owned auto makers (HAO TONGQIAN)

China's SOEs were established as part of the country's planned economy in the past, and their internal structure, management system, social positioning and employees' spirit were totally different from companies facing market competitions.

"It takes time to reform such a huge state-owned economic sector to meet the standard of the market economy," said Shao.

Five major problems bottlenecking the development of SOEs have been tackled after the two-decade reform.

First, fundamental changes have taken place in the layout structure of the state-owned economy. Second, the relationship between SOEs and the government has been changed; government and banks are no longer financially responsible for SOEs, forcing them to become independent subjects in market competition. At present, 52.88 percent of the total assets, 68.05 percent of the net assets and 59.65 percent of the revenues of central SOEs have been held by their listed companies. Third, a system that enables the competitive SOEs to prosper and eliminates inefficient SOEs has been established. Fourth, the state-owned assets supervision and administration system has been established at all levels. Fifth, market-oriented recruitment and employment as well as remuneration and incentives have been established preliminarily.

If not for marketization reform SOEs could not survive, not to mention develop, said Shao.

The key to SOE reform in the future will be integration of the SOEs with the market economy. Better forms of integration include public corporate reform based on the capital market, diversification of enterprises and capitalization of state-owned assets, said Shao.

Five strategies

"Focusing on the target—to become world-class multinationals—central SOEs need to carry out five main strategies, namely the strategy of transforming and upgrading, the strategy of sci-tech innovation, the strategy of internationalized operation, the strategy of strengthening enterprises through talented personnel, and the strategy of harmonious development," said Shao.

Implementing the strategy of transformation and upgrading means the development model for central SOEs will more rely on sci-tech progress, quality improvement of the labor force and management innovation. State capital should be further concentrated and put into key areas, industrial layout further upgraded to the high end of the industrial chain and emerging strategic industries, and ownership structure further transformed by means of joint-stock reform, shareholder diversification and securitization.

The strategy of sci-tech innovation requires that central SOEs will further increase investment in research and development (R&D) and establish the mechanisms of R&D investment, R&D, transformation and application of scientific and technological innovations. Central SOEs should also build R&D platforms to develop advanced technologies, make technological breakthroughs, develop a batch of cutting-edge products and create world famous brands.

Central SOEs will be forced to think strategically and have a broad global vision, quicken their "going global" pace, expand their overseas business to improve their international market shares, optimize the industrial chain and value chain under the strategy of internationalized operation. At the same time, they must also master international competition rules, integrating themselves into the mainstream of the world economy.

Implementing the strategy of strengthening enterprises through talented personnel means that both domestic and overseas talent resources should be fully developed and utilized. Central SOEs should promote the balanced development of the representatives of investor, executives, scientific and technological talent and skilled technicians in order to constantly optimize the talent structure and greatly enhance their competence.

Implementing the strategy of harmonious development means that central SOEs need to realize harmonious development with society and environment in pursuing economic benefits. Central SOEs should establish and improve the mechanism of strategy making, governance optimization, integration, performance evaluation and communication for the fulfillment of corporate social responsibilities and serve as the role model in executing their social responsibilities.

"Meanwhile, we will further improve central SOEs' corporate governance structure, and perfect the state-owned assets supervision and administration system, and further marketize central SOEs' internal system," said Shao.

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kroko

Senior Member
Re: Creating World-Class Companies

By LAN "Over the course of the 12th Five-Year Plan (2011-15), we will use every resource at our disposal to create a batch of large enterprises and groups that will compete with multinationals in the international market," said Shao Ning, Vice Chairman of the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission (SASAC) of the State Council, at a press conference on February 22 in Beijing.

Sure they can compete in china. Can they compete outside china?
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Re: Creating World-Class Companies

Sure they can compete in china. Can they compete outside china?

Why not Huawei and ZTZ is now in the top 5 of Telecommunication gear maker,
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Haier is the world largest white good manufacturer, recently Sany heavy machinery is the 2nd largest maker of Excavator,Front loader, grader, . Petro China is bigger than Exxon,
Suntech,Sinovel are the 2nd largest Photovoltaic and Windturbine producer in the world

China is the largest Shipbuilder, The largest steel, Coal producer The list goes on and on

AECL is one of the pioneer of nuclear industry but in the last 20 years they only manage to sell 3 reactors shame on you

Now where is the Canadian icon like Stelco, Alco,Carling O Keefe,Eaton,Simpson,Algoma. Gone and going So many of them I lost track
List of defunct Canadian companies

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