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Hendrik_2000

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Re: China is now the world's third most-popular destination

yes, China is taking some measures, but it's not enough. When you have that much credit growth (and this has been widely reported), that money has to go somewhere. It will either go in to real estate, stock market, commodity, food/energy or infrastructure projects. In fact in China, it's going to all of the above. You see inflation everywhere because of this tremendous credit growth. Funnily enough in America, even with this huge expansion in money supply, we actually have a credit contraction, because money is not flowing through the economy.

There are some serious problems in China's bank lending. The big SOEs and local governments are getting easy flow of money due to their connections with the banks. The banks are implicitly backed by the government, so they continue their bad lending in spite of official calls to stop lending as much. And a lot of local governments are just wasting money. My hometown in China is building a city wall and a moat. How can that be a good usage of money? So, a lot of those lending get wasted because the money come so easily

At the same time, small business are having trouble getting money from banks, so they get their money from savings and such. And they are so much money efficient in their growth.
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All this talk about real estate bubble and impending doom citing anecdotal empty apartment and hosuing is nothing but sourgrape of western press and you read too much of western press ideological propaganda' "Only my way is right and no one else"

Let talk fact to begin with most of those speculative house are bought with at least of 30% downpayment and most of them are self financing There is no such thing as zero downpayment in China .

The real estate related load only make small portion of Chinese bank portofolio. Some one estimate less than 20% Here is the number from Economist 2009 data

Prices would have to fall a long way to push borrowers “under water”, owing more than the value of their house. The average mortgage is for less than 50% of the value of a home, Ms Wang reckons. In Hong Kong, where regulators bar mortgages of more than 70% of a home’s value, prices fell by almost half in the three years after the Asian financial crisis, yet mortgage delinquencies peaked at 1.4%.

If mortgages did turn sour, how badly would China’s banks suffer? China Merchants Bank’s mortgage book grew by 70% in 2009. But mortgages still amounted to only 23% of its total loans. In China’s other big banks, the share is less than 20%. Loans to property developers account for another 8% or so, according to Mr Rothman.
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Most of the loan are directed to building infrastructure like road and rail line which are more social investment in nature.

Assuming even the worst condition that the bank went under with so much of reserve Goverment can easily recapitalized them like thhey have done before .

So no I don't buy the impending doom and gloom prediction
 
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Jiangsu stays ahead among global capital investments

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"Jiangsu stays ahead among global capital investments
16:22, January 28, 2011

Last year Jiangsu Province, a rich coastal province in eastern China, achieved an actual foreign investment of more than 28 billion US dollars, which is up 12.54 percent over the previous year.

The investment size maintains the first place in China for eight years despite the global recession during the past few years, according to the press briefing held on Jan. 27th by the Commerce Department of Jiangsu Province.

Foreign capital utilization was better structured in year 2010. Growth rates of the actual utilized foreign capital of both primary and tertiary industries were higher than that of secondary industry, respectively by 49 and 15 points, as Zhu Min, Director-General of the Commerce Department of Jiangsu Province, elaborated on the achievements.

He also pointed out that the inter-regional development was better balanced. The actual utilized foreign capital of northern Jiangsu increased by 35.17 percent and middle Jiangsu by 18.1 percent, respectively 22.63 and 5.57 points higher than the provincial average.

Another factor contributing to progress was the soaring number of large-scale projects signed.

Additionally, the channels of using foreign capital became more diverse. New foreign M&A projects reached 148, up 52.58 percent over the previous year. Other sources include 10 newly-registered investment companies with foreign investment, six venture capital companies, and 20 Co.,Ltd. firms with foreign investment.

By Li Yancheng, People's Daily Online"

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Re: China is now the world's third most-popular destination

All this talk about real estate bubble and impending doom citing anecdotal empty apartment and hosuing is nothing but sourgrape of western press and you read too much of western press ideological propaganda' "Only my way is right and no one else"

Let talk fact to begin with most of those speculative house are bought with at least of 30% downpayment and most of them are self financing There is no such thing as zero downpayment in China .

The real estate related load only make small portion of Chinese bank portofolio. Some one estimate less than 20% Here is the number from Economist 2009 data
China is not immune to the economic laws. It does not matter that they've had 30% down payment if there is still 70% left to be paid and we are not sure where that money is going to come from. Can you imagine people in Beijing with their wages paying almost equal price to New York housing prices? How long do you think that can be sustained.

And bad loans are not just restricted to the real estate of coastal cities. We have a bunch of local infrastructure project that are completely wasteful, that municipal governments have no way to pay for. What do you think is going to happen to those? The local governments and big corporations have way too easy access to credit due to their connections with the bank. When you have too much easy credit, it causes imbalances in the economy.

Do I think China's economy will crash completely? No. But we could see something like the late 90s in China when they let many corporation fail, growth was lowered to around 6%, crime shot up in the country and when you had deflation in all food/energy prices.

Most of the loan are directed to building infrastructure like road and rail line which are more social investment in nature.

Assuming even the worst condition that the bank went under with so much of reserve Goverment can easily recapitalized them like thhey have done before .

So no I don't buy the impending doom and gloom prediction
you gotta let banks that make bad loans fail. Otherwise you have a moral hazard like the West where they will keep making bad loans. If you get bailed out everytime you make bad decision, you will just keep making non-fiscally responsible decisions.

As I said, they have way too much lending for these non-economically feasible infrastructure projects. Com'on now, does my hometown really need to build a city wall and a moat?
 

Hendrik_2000

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Re: China is now the world's third most-popular destination

China is not immune to the economic laws. It does not matter that they've had 30% down payment if there is still 70% left to be paid and we are not sure where that money is going to come from. Can you imagine people in Beijing with their wages paying almost equal price to New York housing prices? How long do you think that can be sustained.

I say it will last a longtime. 30% downpayment is the required minimum downpayment but the average downpayment is more like 50%. Let do simple and quick math will you.
Assuming bank portofolio in real estate is 20%. Assuming the worst all of them went sour so the(which unlikely as the author said even in Hongkong with 70% mortgage the deliquency rate is 1.7%)

bank will lost 20X0.7=14% of their asset but the reserve ratio of Bank in China is 19% (2007). So it more than cover the losses in real estate.

And bad loans are not just restricted to the real estate of coastal cities. We have a bunch of local infrastructure project that are completely wasteful, that municipal governments have no way to pay for. What do you think is going to happen to those? The local governments and big corporations have way too easy access to credit due to their connections with the bank. When you have too much easy credit, it causes imbalances in the economy
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It does the trick. It create employment and jump start the economy I said it better use of money than bailing out failed bank like they do in US. In the long run all the new roads ,bridges, rail line will contribute to more efficient economy. Even now China with the same land mass as US only have half of the rail line as US So they long way too go. The proverbial bridge to nowhere is nowhere in sight. Just watch CCTV rail chaos during spring festival, you see that a lot of work still has to be done

Do I think China's economy will crash completely? No. But we could see something like the late 90s in China when they let many corporation fail, growth was lowered to around 6%, crime shot up in the country and when you had deflation in all food/energy prices.

In 94 inflation run at 19%, million of people thrown out of work because of restructuring( failed state company simply closed) And yet no riot no blood on the street. But western press is still clinging to fantasy that there will be riot on the street.Come on 5% inflation is nothing when the average salary increase going to 10% on average and in some city even going to 20%

you gotta let banks that make bad loans fail. Otherwise you have a moral hazard like the West where they will keep making bad loans. If you get bailed out everytime you make bad decision, you will just keep making non-fiscally responsible decisions.

Now who is talking here ?. Who is bailing out failed bank? Not China for sure, this year their bank is the most profitable in the world

As I said, they have way too much lending for these non-economically feasible infrastructure projects. Com'on now, does my hometown really need to build a city wall and a moat?

Maybe they just want to create tourist attraction and create job in service industry why not?

But Feng seriously don't listen to this western media They have been predicting the sky will fall for 20 years nothing happened instead China go from strength to strength. Remember Gordon Chang heck he even has the gall to predict that China will go bankrupt in 2001 nothing that sort happened and Guess whose banking system is now in dump ? Anyway we should end this discussion
 

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World #1 Casino Hub: China's Macau is four times larger than Las Vegas

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"Hong Kong to Macau ferry takes about one hour."

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"Macau January Casino Revenue Grows 33% to $2.3 Billion
By Marco Lui - Feb 1, 2011 3:26 AM ET

Casino revenue in Macau, the world’s largest casino hub, surged 33 percent in January as Chinese gamblers placed more bets on baccarat and other card games.

Gambling revenue for the six companies that run casinos in Macau, the only place in China where they’re legal, rose to 18.6 billion patacas ($2.3 billion) last month from 13.9 billion patacas a year ago, according to data from Macau’s Gaming Inspection and Coordination Bureau.

China, which contributes more than half the number of Macau’s tourist arrivals, may post economic growth of 9.5 percent this year, according to the median estimate of eight economists surveyed by Bloomberg. Macau’s visitor arrivals rose 15 percent to 25 million last year with 83 percent coming from mainland China and Hong Kong, according to government data compiled by Bloomberg.

Casino gambling revenue in Macau rose 58 percent to 188.3 billion patacas last year. That’s more than four times greater than the $5.62 billion for the Las Vegas Strip, according to government data.

Wynn Macau Ltd., the Hong Kong-listed casino unit of Wynn Resorts Ltd., fell 3.7 percent to HK$20.85 at the 4 p.m. close of trading in Hong Kong, while billionaire Stanley Ho’s SJM Holdings Ltd. slid 3.7 percent to HK$12.58.

Sands China Ltd., the local unit of billionaire Sheldon Adelson’s Las Vegas-based company, declined 1.5 percent.

To contact the reporter on this story: Marco Lui at [email protected]

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Frank Longid in Hong Kong at [email protected]"
 

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Baidu's "fourth-quarter profit more than tripled...to $175.9 million"

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Baidu eats Google's lunch

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"Baidu jumps after 4Q profit, sales beat estimates
Feb 1, 2011 12:50 PM ET
By The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — Shares of Baidu.com Inc., the leading search engine in China, jumped on Tuesday after the company's fourth-quarter profit more than tripled, easily topping Wall Street expectations.

THE SPARK: The Beijing company said on Monday that its profit soared to 1.16 billion yuan ($175.9 million)
, or 3.32 yuan (50 cents) per American depositary share during the December quarter. That compares with year-earlier earnings of 427.9 million yuan, or 1.23 yuan per U.S.-traded share.

Excluding stock options expenses, the company earned 52 cents per share. Analysts expected 47 cents per share, according to FactSet.

Revenue nearly doubled to 2.45 billion yuan ($371.3 million) from 1.26 billion yuan, beating the $350.3 million analysts were expecting.

THE BIG PICTURE: After repeated clashes over censorship, Google Inc. closed its China-based search engine in March. Mainland users usually can reach Google's Chinese-language site in Hong Kong, a Chinese territory with no Internet filtering, but Baidu dominates.

The research firm Analysys International says that as of September, 73 percent of Web searches in China are done on Baidu. Google snags only 22 percent.

THE ANALYSIS: Baidu's results prompted Kaufman Bros. analyst Mayuresh Masurekar to raise his price target to $142 from $118. That represents a 21 percent gain over the current trading price of $117.29. He stands by his "Buy" rating on the company.

Masurekar said that while the research group iResearch estimates Baidu's market share at 72.9 percent, the results suggest an even larger slice of Web surfers are using the search engine. He estimates Baidu's market share is now about 74.3 percent and expects its market share to grow between 1 and 2 percent every quarter.

But Baidu isn't just claiming more users, he said: it's also seizing on a growing market for online advertising in China. During the quarter, its active advertisers grew 24 percent, with 4,000 new advertisers added during that period.

Masurekar also raised his estimates for fiscal 2011, saying he now expects the company to earn $2.54 per share on $1.94 billion in revenue. Previously, he predicted the company would earn $2.37 per share on $1.88 billion in revenue.

SHARE ACTION: Up $8.66, or 8 percent, to $117.29."
 

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Re: China is now the world's third most-popular destination

I say it will last a longtime. 30% downpayment is the required minimum downpayment but the average downpayment is more like 50%. Let do simple and quick math will you.
Assuming bank portofolio in real estate is 20%. Assuming the worst all of them went sour so the(which unlikely as the author said even in Hongkong with 70% mortgage the deliquency rate is 1.7%)

bank will lost 20X0.7=14% of their asset but the reserve ratio of Bank in China is 19% (2007). So it more than cover the losses in real estate.
The problem is only part in real estate but also to local governments and SOE who are just wasting the money. Even in real estate, you think it's not going to be a problem when all the coal miners from Shanxi realize people have had enough with them driving up apartment prices in Beijing?
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It does the trick. It create employment and jump start the economy I said it better use of money than bailing out failed bank like they do in US. In the long run all the new roads ,bridges, rail line will contribute to more efficient economy. Even now China with the same land mass as US only have half of the rail line as US So they long way too go. The proverbial bridge to nowhere is nowhere in sight. Just watch CCTV rail chaos during spring festival, you see that a lot of work still has to be done
I'm not saying US is doing the right thing. Now let's get one thing straight here. The American economy is a ponzi scheme. Anyone who works in the financial industry can tell you that. But that does not mean what China does right now is good. Japan built up all this debt from all of their infrastructure spending + bailing out banks. I see China will have to do the same thing once the local governments can no longer pay for their investment projects to create employment. I know why these programs are done, but they are done on borrowed money. If they are economically not sound, then they are a waste of money. Clearly, all of the high speed rail projects are not profitable in the near future. I see some value in obtaining technology and moving up the food chain in manufacturing, but that will still create serious debt problems for all this unprofitable ventures.
In 94 inflation run at 19%, million of people thrown out of work because of restructuring( failed state company simply closed) And yet no riot no blood on the street. But western press is still clinging to fantasy that there will be riot on the street.Come on 5% inflation is nothing when the average salary increase going to 10% on average and in some city even going to 20%
When they had high employment rate in the late 90s (which is what I'm referring to), there really was no inflation. It was full of deflation. People simply had no jobs, so then you had increased crime in the country. In the long run, people are going to be pissed not having jobs. They are growing more daring than ever. I'm not seeing any kind of serious political problems, but the government will have to make accommodations to disgruntled workers.

Now who is talking here ?. Who is bailing out failed bank? Not China for sure, this year their bank is the most profitable in the world

Maybe they just want to create tourist attraction and create job in service industry why not?

But Feng seriously don't listen to this western media They have been predicting the sky will fall for 20 years nothing happened instead China go from strength to strength. Remember Gordon Chang heck he even has the gall to predict that China will go bankrupt in 2001 nothing that sort happened and Guess whose banking system is now in dump ? Anyway we should end this discussion
Well, Gordon Chang has no credibility. But you have to look at someone like Andy Xie who knows far more than myself on these matters.

First of all, I'm not saying China's economy is in worse shape than American economy. Fundamentally speaking, Chinese economy is in a far better shape. However, it will suffer pain along the way. That's part of capitalism. You have your boom period like now and then your bust period like in the end of 2008. Eventually, this credit driven investment growth will have to stop and that will lead to a lot of unemployed workers.

My thoughts are already on my blog if you need to know.
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China surpasses the United States as the world's foremost manufacturer

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Is the US still ahead of Chinese manufacturing?
By Stefan Karlsson
February 9, 2011

Some economists say it is, but they're using the wrong metrics.

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An employee installs tire rims at a factory of Zhengxing Wheel Group Co. Ltd in Hefei, Anhui province in China on January 20. Guest blogger Stefan Karlsson writes that even though China's GDP is lower than the US's, it has surpassed the US in manufacturing. (Photo credit: Jianan Yu / Reuters / File)

Mark Perry, Scott Sumner and some other economists have recently linked to
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, where he claims that a UN database shows that the value of U.S. manufacturing is still (or more correctly was still in 2009) larger than the value of manufacturing in China.

This would strike you as odd, considering that you can for example see news of how China is the by far biggest consumer of copper and other industrial metals as well as oil and coal and how Chinese car sales and sales of other durable consumer goods as well as Chinese goods exports are greater than in the United States.

And if you look at the U.N. statistics page, you can see that at current exchange rates, the value of manufacturing in China was $2.05 trillion, more than the $1.78 trillion value of U.S. manufacturing.

Jacoby seems to have gotten his numbers by looking at the alternative indicator of "constant 2005 U.S. dollars". But the problem with using this indicator is that it overlooks the massive real appreciation of the Chinese yuan during this period, especially with regard to the manufacturing sector. And as I pointed out a few days ago, when comparing economic might, it is the value at current exchange rates which is relevant.

And if you were to look at [domestic] purchasing power adjusted numbers in a consistent way, China's superiority would be even greater because the general price level in China is still much lower than in the U.S.

The indicator "constant 2005 U.S. dollars" makes no sense at all in this context since it by using a past real exchange rate will neither reflect domestic purchasing power nor economic might (international purchasing power).

While the overall GDP of the U.S. remains higher than in China, and probably will continue to do so for about a decade, because its service sector is much greater than China's, China has in fact surpassed the United States in manufacturing. Jacoby's use of an irrelevant indicator could perhaps be excused by the fact that he isn't an economist (though that would raise the question of why he writes about economic issues), but Perry and others don't have that excuse.

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Re: China surpasses the United States as the world's foremost manufacturer

I have to agree with Typhung on this one. China is using alot of its financial resources to maintain GDP growth in a wasteful manner, and one day this pigeons will come home to roost. The problems may well be excerbated with a downturn in trade with the trade balance falling into negative mode as more and more countries have second thoughts on becoming to reliant on China.


-Brazil and China: A young marriage on the rocks
Brazil and China: A young marriage on the rocks

Brazil and China: A young marriage on the rocks | Reuters

By Brian Winter and Brian Ellsworth

BRASILIA | Thu Feb 3, 2011 9:21am EST

BRASILIA (Reuters) - At least once a week during her young presidency, Dilma Rousseff has met with trusted advisers to try to solve an intractable problem -- China.

Only a few months ago, Brazil and China seemed destined to enjoy one of the defining alliances of the early 21st century -- two fast-growing emerging market economies seeking ever-greater opportunities for business together and standing side by side on key global issues such as trade negotiations.

It's not quite working out that way.

Rousseff's regular meetings are just one sign of how she is steering Brazil toward a more confrontational stance with China. She is trying to address what she sees as an increasingly lopsided relationship while also bringing Brazil's strategic alliances in line with her dream of turning it into a middle-class country by the end of the decade.

The core problem is a torrent of Chinese imports that has quintupled in size since 2005, with disastrous effects for Brazilian manufacturers and the well-paying, highly skilled jobs that Rousseff is so focused on creating.

While the weekly session of ministers and finance ministry officials is ostensibly about how to improve Brazil's competitiveness in global trade, "it's basically a China meeting," said one high-level official who takes part.

"Relations between the two countries are not hostile," the official said. "But we are going to take measures to protect ourselves ... and push for a more equal relationship."

In the short term, senior government sources say that will mean more targeted tariffs on manufactured goods coming from China and tighter supervision by customs officials, as well as more anti-dumping complaints against Beijing.

Growth in Brazil-China trade: r.reuters.com/puw77r

Brazilian exports to China: r.reuters.com/kuw77r

New restrictions on foreign mining companies are also likely, officials say, reflecting concerns that China wants to consolidate its grip on Brazil's commodities wealth while offering insufficient access to its own market.

In a break from her predecessor, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Rousseff will push for a stronger yuan currency and more access to the Chinese market for Brazilian companies like airplane maker Embraer (EMBR3.SA) when she visits China in April.

In the long run, Brazil and China are likely to retain relatively warm ties and continue to expand bilateral trade. Yet the shift evolving since Rousseff took office on January 1 could affect everything from Brazil's relationship with the United States to the future of so-called "south-south" ties among emerging market countries.

"It's surprising that the relationship is changing so fast," said Mauricio Cardenas, director of the Latin America program at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank.

"Brazil is clearly seeking major changes ... That could have consequences for all of Latin America as many other countries, who are experiencing the same problems (with China), follow the example of Brazil," Cardenas said.


Redefining a relationship with China is easier said than done. Just as the United States has struggled to balance its demands for a stronger yuan against its desire for cheap Chinese imports and financing, Brazil must also untangle a web of dependence that has grown rapidly in the last decade.

Bilateral trade soared from just over $2 billion (1.2 billion pounds) in 2000 to $56.2 billion in 2010. China has surpassed the United States as Brazil's main trading partner and was the biggest single source of foreign direct investment last year, at about $17 billion.

The robust trade growth helped Brazil's economy expand last year at its fastest pace in two decades. It also means that any efforts by Rousseff to pass new protectionist measures may be fruitless, said Qiu Xiaoqi, China's ambassador to Brazil.

"Trade between China and Brazil grew so fast because of a reciprocal need. When that need exists, nobody can get in the way," Qiu told Reuters in a rare interview.

Qiu, who prides himself on his Brazilian cultural knowledge and insisted on conducting the interview in Portuguese, attributed anti-China rumblings to "a minority" of officials on Rousseff's team. He also pointed out that Brazil had a large trade surplus with China last year -- about $5 billion.

A closer look, however, shows that it would have been a deficit if not for an extraordinary increase in the price of iron ore, which accounted for 40 percent of exports to China.

Brazilian exports to China as measured by weight -- thus, controlling for increases in commodities prices -- fell 3 percent in 2010, while Chinese imports rose 89 percent.

"Brazil has been naive in its management of the China relationship in recent years. It's far more uneven than most people think," said Fernando Henrique Cardoso, an opposition party leader who was president of Brazil from 1995-2003.

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Despite Brazil's strong economic growth last year, its manufacturers are reeling. Industrial production has been flat or shrinking since April, and the damage in areas like textiles and shoes has been so severe that the National Industry Confederation, or CNI, has warned of "deindustrialization."

The shift under Rousseff reflects her emphasis on nurturing local industries while Lula's trade policy was in part dictated by his dream of a grand alliance among developing nations.

Still, some who do business in both countries worry that China is being used as a scapegoat for Brazil's own problems.

"Brazil's lack of competitiveness has nothing to do with the Chinese," said Charles Tang, president of the Brazil-China Chamber of Commerce and Industry in Rio de Janeiro.

He attributed Brazil's problems to high taxes, labor costs and infrastructure bottlenecks that, along with an overvalued currency, make local goods comparatively expensive to produce.

He also said that Brazilian companies, which for decades focused primarily on their own large domestic market, have missed several opportunities to do more business in China.


Soraya Rosar, a trade expert at the CNI, agrees but says Rousseff needs to push for greater access to China's market.

Meanwhile China is reputedly more than a little concerned with its foreign holdings

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By AARON BACK
BEIJING—China's government, one of the biggest holders of debt from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, voiced confidence that Washington would continue to stand behind the obligations of the U.S. mortgage giants after the Obama administration outlined options for phasing them out.‬
The statement by the State Administration of Foreign Exchange, or SAFE, the arm of China's central bank that manages foreign-exchange reserves, reflects Beijing's continued concern about perceptions within China of the safety of its U.S. investments. Most of China's $2.85 trillion in reserves is invested in dollar assets, and while China doesn't disclose the size of its holdings of Fannie and Freddie securities, past records show it owning hundreds of billions of dollars of debt from them and other U.S. government-linked agencies.‬
Chinese officials have raised concerns about the possible impact of U.S. policy on the future value of China's dollar holdings, saying loose monetary policy could hurt the value of U.S. assets. But the government has also rejected rumors that it has lost money on its existing holdings of Fannie and Freddie debt.‬
The Obama administration on Friday issued a white paper on plans to reduce U.S. government involvement in the mortgage market, including an eventual phaseout of Fannie and Freddie, which the government took over in 2008. But the White House's report emphasized that it "will not waver from its commitment" to ensuring that the two "have sufficient capital to honor any guarantees issued now or in the future and meet any of their debt obligations."‬
SAFE's statement, posted on its website Saturday, said the White House plan "has aroused widespread public interest and concern that our foreign-exchange reserve investments could be damaged." The statement said China has not had losses on its Fannie and Freddie holdings, and added that SAFE "took particular notice that the U.S. government's commitment to support [Fannie and Freddie] hasn't changed."‬
China. U.S Treasury data show that as of June 2009 China held $454 billion of long-term U.S. agency debt, the bulk believed to be Fannie and Freddie debt. More recent figures on its holdings haven't been published‬.
But separate Treasury data show China has been steadily selling its holdings of agency securities since mid-2008, including net reductions of $24.67 billion in 2009 and $27.35 billion in the first 11 months of 2010. Those figures don't include transactions through intermediaries in other countries, however.‬
Public concern in China about possible losses on its U.S. investments has flared up repeatedly in China since the start of the global financial crisis. Many Chinese seem to believe that during the crisis the country lost vast sums on its U.S. holdings.‬
Last week, Lu Zhengwei, a senior economist at Industrial Bank Co., a small Chinese lender, said in a report that the commitment by the Obama administration to pay back holders of Fannie and Freddie securities amounts to an "empty check" without the support of the U.S. Congress. "Looking at the current political situation in the U.S., for the U.S. Congress to give a clear guarantee on this issue is almost impossible," Mr. Lu said.‬
The same day, a separate report in the Chinese newspaper International Finance News cited unnamed analysts as saying that losses on China's Fannie and Freddie holdings could reach $450 billion. The report provided few details on its calculations.‬
SAFE responded with a statement on Friday denouncing such estimates as "groundless," and strongly denying that it faces any losses. The denial was given prominent treatment by state media Friday evening, including during the widely watched evening news broadcast on state television.
Last year, outlandish rumors spread that the central-bank governor, Zhou Xiaochuan, had defected to the U.S. because of hundreds of billions of dollars in purported losses on U.S. debt—even though U.S. Treasurys were in fact one of the best-performing assets at the time.‬
In late 2008, a lengthy Chinese-language essay circulated online excoriating Mr. Zhou and other top officials for being too close to the U.S., accusing them of having "colluded" with then Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to buy U.S. bonds.‬
 
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From what I've seen it seems that the PRC government is keen on making a consumer transition wrt economic growth, so it isn't as if things are simply going to coast along the current path in any case.
 
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