The car has a frontal license plate. It is legal for a car just to have one license plate in Huston. All assumptions stop right here.
Chinese Diplomat accosted by Houston TX police
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The car has a frontal license plate. It is legal for a car just to have one license plate in Huston. All assumptions stop right here.
My point here is... everyone should be the same in the face of law. Not just this case or any assumption that I am making. I agreed that polices had no right to just burst into a consulate or even another person home (without a search or arrest warrant) much less beat up someone up... thus in this sense, they are wrong and they must pay for what they have done.
What I have concern is that why do diplomat have immunity to law too? And what happen if they break the law of the host country? What, we can only ask them to leave? I fully understand and appreciate what all other members had mentioned, but I just doesn't dig into the stupid rules that was going on, while everyone seemed just happy to accept it... don't you think it is something like selling off our rights.
I also don't dig the idea that diplomat had urgent business to attend to all the time, thats why they are immune to the law... in my Singapore's case, the Romanian diplomat are actually out drinking and womanizing... that hardly seemed like urgent matter to me.
What I have concern is that why do diplomat have immunity to law too? And what happen if they break the law of the host country? What, we can only ask them to leave? I fully understand and appreciate what all other members had mentioned, but I just doesn't dig into the stupid rules that was going on, while everyone seemed just happy to accept it... don't you think it is something like selling off our rights.
I also don't dig the idea that diplomat had urgent business to attend to all the time, thats why they are immune to the law... in my Singapore's case, the Romanian diplomat are actually out drinking and womanizing... that hardly seemed like urgent matter to me.
Does anyone know whether the diplomat's car had or didn't have a front license plate? If both front plates were missing the diplomat would be more responsible but if the cops failed to notice the front plate then they deserve further reprimands.
Quickie
Colonel
What's the big deal with a missing license plate? You can be sure a criminal will make sure the car is nicely fitted with one, albeit a false one. For the way the police responded the way they did, this alone can't be the reason.
Just want to add that I'm not siding with any party by saying this.
Just want to add that I'm not siding with any party by saying this.
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MastanKhan
Junior Member
Hi,
On the one license plate states---you don't need a lic plate in the front---but you ought to have it in the back---I am in the car business--maybe I know a little more---.
Rhino---you are just taking it on for no reason---please read---if there is no moving violation---then the consulate car will not stop---the police can follow them to the embassy/consulate and then request access through their consular dept---every big city has a dept dealing with consulate issuses. Even with a moving violation, the consulate vehicles are not supposed to stop---unless they get disabled.
Stopping is not an option for embassy vehicles---unless forced upon---people have taken refuge in embassy vehicles and the local police and agencies have been helpless in getting them out of the car because of jurisdiction issues---.
If the consular stops on the street, the cop who handcuffed the consular---what would stop him from searching that vehicle---the cop has already crossed the line---what if there is sensitive material in the car.
Today it is the chinese consular who wanted to get back into his embassy---tomorrow it is the american consular who would want to do the same---.
Now how about Osama's daughter or grand daughter in iran---who ran and got refuge in saudi embassy---should the iranians have raided the embassy---even though they have done it in the past.
On the one license plate states---you don't need a lic plate in the front---but you ought to have it in the back---I am in the car business--maybe I know a little more---.
Rhino---you are just taking it on for no reason---please read---if there is no moving violation---then the consulate car will not stop---the police can follow them to the embassy/consulate and then request access through their consular dept---every big city has a dept dealing with consulate issuses. Even with a moving violation, the consulate vehicles are not supposed to stop---unless they get disabled.
Stopping is not an option for embassy vehicles---unless forced upon---people have taken refuge in embassy vehicles and the local police and agencies have been helpless in getting them out of the car because of jurisdiction issues---.
If the consular stops on the street, the cop who handcuffed the consular---what would stop him from searching that vehicle---the cop has already crossed the line---what if there is sensitive material in the car.
Today it is the chinese consular who wanted to get back into his embassy---tomorrow it is the american consular who would want to do the same---.
Now how about Osama's daughter or grand daughter in iran---who ran and got refuge in saudi embassy---should the iranians have raided the embassy---even though they have done it in the past.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Essentially what you are saying is, diplomatic immunity is being abused, and perhaps there should be a rewrite of those rights.
Im not refering to this situation in particular. But perhaps diplomatic immunity should only extend to going about diplomatic business.
However should a diplomat wish to self drive, then he's just as liable for any traffic violation that he occurs. The same would apply to any other laws he may violate, such as indulging in drinking, recreational drugs etc.
As I understood it, the Romanian hit-and-run guy left the country. Singapore was trying to extradite him, but the country where he is has no extradition treaty with Singapore. Anyway, if this is the case, then it must be that he indeed is responsible before the law, otherwise what's the point of extradition?
That's an agreement reached at the Vienna Convention, the immunity itself is part of international law.
In your Singapore case, you can try to prosecute the man for non-diplomatic crimes after he has been expelled from the country.
In fact I believe they are doing this through the interpol.
In the China case you can similarly expel the diplomat and get interpol to throw him a ticket.
If you got a problem with diplomatic immunity then by all means vote for a government that pledge to change the Vienna Convention.
ravenshield936
Banned Idiot
I don't get it. Master has spoken why, but people are still debating the validity of the consular's action.
Please don't even get me started with the state of laws in Singapore and the voting issue. I don't think you live in Singapore, if so, you would not even have stated the last statement.
Singapore primarily is dominated only by 1 party - People Action Party, although we do have some other parties... but they are too weak and lack any useful talents to run the country. Actually you can see it in the vote percentage in every election - whooping 60+ to 80% in favour of PAP... which country, I dare ask have this type of loop sided vote.
So, yeah... voting for a new government is out of the question...
I am just displease with the current immunity type of shit that is happening all around the world. Thats all.
My friend, no offense intented... I am not just against the Chinese case... and I know that embassy vehicle would not be stop if they have the correct identification.
What I am piss off about is the immunity rules of these diplomat. I know there is nothing anyone can do about it... because it is the law. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.
I mean we don't just look at things in a uni-direction and accept it as it is. We look at it in a bigger picture. Of course if there are urgent business for the consulat or diplomat for him to be rushing off to some places, any rules broken (except for grievous one) could be overlook. If they are just out having fun and returning back, I do hardly think it is fair for the citizens of the state to just let them break laws, rules, whatever.
But as of such... nothing can be done. Of course we can expell these people out of the country, but what is that gonna do if they actually done harms to our citizens?
That is why in my first post, I am asking did US lodge a formal complaints to China.
Actually that is not only for this case, but other case. My post is more general than just linking it to specific cases...
As for the Romania-Singapore hit and run case that I have quote... well... the diplomat actually left Singapore, that we know, and was fired by Romania. But that is about it. What about those that had been killed in the accident? Is there any compensation? The evidence are overwhelming that it is a hit-and-run case, but it occurred during the time when that Romanian fellow is a diplomat and is actually immune to law. So there is nothing we could do.
Even if the family of the dead have gotten the compensation from insurance claim under Romania's embassy, but the main thing is that there are no punishable act to the offender.
And MasterKhan, you are correct in one thing, which is very disturbing...
Don't you think what you said there, somehow confirmed that the embassy and consulat building, or the property or asset of these embassies had somehow, sooner or later, becoming the safehouse for criminals?