I don't know what are you trying to say. Please don't twist the story.
Chinese Diplomat accosted by Houston TX police
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I don't know what are you trying to say. Please don't twist the story.
Yes I must improve my sense of humor. Are there any official news in China regarding this incident?
i've read this news on chinese news portals, and it mostly focuses on the arrest inside the consulate and how china is dealing the issue at a diplomatic level. i haven't read anything that we don't know yet.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Pardon me for not thinking in black and white. How am I trying to twist the story? People are trying to justify the actions of the Houston Police Department. Ever hear of two wrongs don't make a right? I'm giving examples of the roles reversed and it shows how there's not an equal sense of justice. You have a problem with that?
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MastanKhan
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Hi,
In this case, the chinese consular maynot have known if the plate had fallen off or was not their from the begining.
The consul would have assumed that with consular license plate, he could not be pulled over---if he thought the plate was on---.
As he had not committed any moving violations---there was no reason for him to stop even with police with sirens behind him. That is for security reasons---even though he may have known that there was no license plate on the car.
The police also does something like racial profiling---it matches the profile of the driver to the vehicle being driven---if you don't appear like owing that vehicle---you could be pulled over.
I got pulled over driving a mercedes benz had a utah lic plate---had gone to arizona and was driving though nevada---had just left las vegas and was going back to utah---got the lights flashing behind me---. The cop literally tore out the carpetting and partition board in the trunk---he was looking for drugs. AND ON TOP OF THAT HE WAS FURIOUS AT ME BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING OF INTEREST IN THE CAR---
Consular vehicles normally donot stop for minor infractions, unless they are disabled. They will always head for their embassy or consulate fopr reasons of safety.
Some members are writing that it is half the fault of the police and half of the consular---well you need to understand that when your are a consular---you are never at fault---that is basically the agreement between the countries and the UN charter---.
In this case, the chinese consular maynot have known if the plate had fallen off or was not their from the begining.
The consul would have assumed that with consular license plate, he could not be pulled over---if he thought the plate was on---.
As he had not committed any moving violations---there was no reason for him to stop even with police with sirens behind him. That is for security reasons---even though he may have known that there was no license plate on the car.
The police also does something like racial profiling---it matches the profile of the driver to the vehicle being driven---if you don't appear like owing that vehicle---you could be pulled over.
I got pulled over driving a mercedes benz had a utah lic plate---had gone to arizona and was driving though nevada---had just left las vegas and was going back to utah---got the lights flashing behind me---. The cop literally tore out the carpetting and partition board in the trunk---he was looking for drugs. AND ON TOP OF THAT HE WAS FURIOUS AT ME BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING OF INTEREST IN THE CAR---
Consular vehicles normally donot stop for minor infractions, unless they are disabled. They will always head for their embassy or consulate fopr reasons of safety.
Some members are writing that it is half the fault of the police and half of the consular---well you need to understand that when your are a consular---you are never at fault---that is basically the agreement between the countries and the UN charter---.
Not to offend anybody here... but I think it is all bull shit (not meaning you Masterkhan, please understand), I know that diplomat is immune to the host country's law... which I find is kind of a fxxk up arrangement. Something like in the colonial period.
And I disagreed with your last statement that consular are never at fault... Well... they are guilty of breaking the law, but they are immune to it, so you cannot tried them in court or even handed out punishment.
In the Singapore-Romania case, the diplomat had run over a couple of Singapore citizens causing some to actually die... but nothing can be done... because he is a diplomat, under protection and immune to the law of Singapore.
So this bring about my initial outburst... Consulate and embassy had somehow become a safehouse for criminals.
Sorry again for that outburst... it is seriously getting on my nerves watching criminals getting away without ever needing to pay for what wrongs they have done, while law abiding citizens get to pay the price.
In the case of the Chinese diplomat case, we would never know the true story unless there is a trail in court and evidence being shown, but as we all know it... we cannot tried a diplomat.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
There is an actionable response. The government can order the diplomat to leave the country. Like I said this is not a one-sided affair. This can easily be turned against US diplomats or civilians overseas. That's why people get frustrated why diplomats can get away with so much. It would be all about tic-for-tac there after. The fact is many Westerners who commit crimes overseas get away with it because usually the country doesn't want to be burdened with imprisoning them and having themselves scrutinized for human rights violations against a Westerner. In some cases we're talking about rape, child molestation, and even murder and the worst punishment they get is they get kicked-out of the country. So everyone has a gripe about what's fair. I don't see how in this instance how the outrage can be against the Chinese diplomat over a missing license plate. Did someone get hurt besides the diplomat because of a missing license plate? In the case of the British citizen recently executed in China... I read some British demanded that China go find and punish the Eastern European gangsters that tricked their citizen into smuggling drugs into China. Are they that stupid? It was their citizen that smuggled drugs into China? By that logic let's blame the Houston Police Department because they didn't stop the criminal from stealing the license plate of the car.
Pardon me, I don't see how this will turn against the US diplomats or civilians overseas. If you break the host country's law, you jolly well pay for what you have done. Everyone must be responsible for his or her own action. It is not like, I am a big country, with much bigger guns then you had, and so I can come in and push small little peanuts like you around.
It is not someone getting hurt or what. It is that if someone break the law, he pay for it. Although in this case, we do not yet know if the license plate was stolen or delibrately taken away either by a third party or the chinese diplomat himself. The facts remains that when a police signaled for him to stop and he didn't. That is not a normal thing to do.
You are right here... those who demand that type of thing are stupid. Very stupid and senseless at all. But first thing first, we still do not know if the license plate was actually stolen or was there other circumstances that caused the lost of a license plate.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
You seem to be upset that all these diplomats are getting away with breaking the law. That tells you that your argument about people paying for their crimes doesn't happen. They're getting away with it for the very reason in my example. The US doesn't want this to start a never-ending escalation of tit-for-tat. That's why nothing is going to happen. Plenty of opportunities for China to make an example of Americans especially if a missing license plate is the basis for actionable punishment.
There has already been an account from the consulate on what happened. They said the license plate was stolen and they thought one plate was enough. The diplomat said he did stop the car when the officer flashed his lights. The officer did nothing but park his car behind him so he thought it was all right to leave. And then when they got to the consulate the diplomat identified himself as so but they continued to arrest and injure him regardless. If you believe in the law, then regardless of the missing plate and not stopping for the police accusation, they committed a crime of arresting and beating a diplomat after he identified himself as one. Not to also mention they illegally entered on to consulate grounds.
Have you ever lived in a poor neighborhood? A police officer pulling you over and doing nothing is a tactic of corrupt officers to have an excuse to take extra action against you if you do anything else. Go do a search on the Houston Police Department. They are in the middle of several police brutality scandals.
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Two wrongs does not make one right.
If you have a problem with how the diplomat is behaving then by all means file a complaint against it, but you can't just charge into the consulate and arrest him after beating him up.
In this case the diplomat is initially at fault, but for all you know he could have had an urgent issue to take care of, it's part of the reason why they are immune to the law in the first place.
The proper thing for the police to do is to go through diplomatic channels(get Clinton or someone) and reprimand China for allowing a diplomat to drive with only 1 license plate.