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solarz

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Overuse/misuse of IV therapy for minor illnesses is a massive problem in China and it is estimated that 390,000 people die each year due to complications resulting from IV therapy. Outpatient IV therapy isn't even practiced in most countries outside of China because IV therapy requires close supervision in order to avoid potentially very serious complications that include hypothermia, pulmonary oedema and death. In Chinese hospitals you'll see entire outpatient wards full of people with IV packs dangling over their heads. Ask them why they're here and most of them will say it's because they have a cold and the doctor has prescribed them several days of IV therapy with antibiotics:mad:. The main reason why IV therapy is over-prescribed in China is simple: money. Doctors and hospitals get kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies for prescribing their drugs and IV therapy is more expensive than oral medications.

The paediatrician mentioned at the end of the article is also lying through his teeth. The symptoms that the deceased girl displayed shortly before her death - discomfort, shock, and breathing difficulties followed by cardiac arrest and death - are symptoms strongly associated with an adverse reaction to IV therapy. God this whole thing makes my blood boil. :mad:

Thanks for the information. I remember when I got a cold in China about 10 years ago, and my parents took me to the hospital. The doctor mentioned in passing that IV would cure the cold much quicker, but of course there was no way I was going to let them stick a needle in me for a common cold. She ended up prescribing me some vitamin C tablets.
 

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Overuse/misuse of IV therapy for minor illnesses is a massive problem in China and it is estimated that 390,000 people die each year due to complications resulting from IV therapy. Outpatient IV therapy isn't even practiced in most countries outside of China because IV therapy requires close supervision in order to avoid potentially very serious complications that include hypothermia, pulmonary oedema and death. In Chinese hospitals you'll see entire outpatient wards full of people with IV packs dangling over their heads. Ask them why they're here and most of them will say it's because they have a cold and the doctor has prescribed them several days of IV therapy with antibiotics:mad:. The main reason why IV therapy is over-prescribed in China is simple: money. Doctors and hospitals get kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies for prescribing their drugs and IV therapy is more expensive than oral medications.

The paediatrician mentioned at the end of the article is also lying through his teeth. The symptoms that the deceased girl displayed shortly before her death - discomfort, shock, and breathing difficulties followed by cardiac arrest and death - are symptoms strongly associated with an adverse reaction to IV therapy. God this whole thing makes my blood boil. :mad:

Basically what was said in the news was that she started getting IV in January 1st, they did allergy testing on the first day and it turned out normal, so the treatment was continued for several days. She developed acute symptoms shortly after starting IV on the fifth day. The parents reported that symptoms were first ignored by the hospital staff and efforts to resuscitate did not begin until too late. The parents suspect that it was an allergic reaction which the hospital mishandled. The hospital denied being at fault and said they will wait for autopsy results.

A director of pediatrics from a different hospital (probably interviewed by the reporter to provide expert opinion) said if it was an allergic reaction there are usually well established producers and medications to treat it. It is more common for encephalitis or cerebral hernia to be the cause of death.

It's not your fault in the translation because the last part was very poorly written in the original Chinese article, I have to guess what it means. It was just bad journalism.

The overuse of IV is definitely a serious problem in China and it is usually being abused in treating fever. Even the department of health said in 2011 that they're looking to control it more strictly, but I wonder if any significant progress has been made. It's worth noting that many Chinese patients themselves also demands IV treatment because they think it can take effect faster and allow them to go back to work sooner, etc.

Thanks for the information. I remember when I got a cold in China about 10 years ago, and my parents took me to the hospital. The doctor mentioned in passing that IV would cure the cold much quicker, but of course there was no way I was going to let them stick a needle in me for a common cold. She ended up prescribing me some vitamin C tablets.

From what I gathered I thought IV fluid is only necessary if the child is severely dehydrated therefore needed it more than adults do, especially when they get sick. I guess the practices in hospitals in China has more to do with either lack of nutrition, available clean water in children that nurses and doctors prescribed them as a commonality in order to diagnose the patient. :confused:

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I know she did an evil deed of baby trafficking, but I can't help but to notice she is a woman therefore getting a death sentence is put upon to her by the judge. Than again I have to remember the pain and anxiety from the victims and the parents perspectives.
 

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From what I gathered I thought IV fluid is only necessary if the child is severely dehydrated therefore needed it more than adults do, especially when they get sick. I guess the practices in hospitals in China has more to do with either lack of nutrition, available clean water in children that nurses and doctors prescribed them as a commonality in order to diagnose the patient. :confused:

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No, IV therapy in China is predominantly used as a means of delivering antibiotics and other medication and is often used in patients who are only mildly ill. In reality modern oral antibiotics are just as effective and far less dangerous. Antibiotic abuse has also been a problem in China for many years now. When I was growing up there as a young child I was prescribed oral penicillin and intramuscular benzylpenicillin whenever I showed symptoms of a cold or cough. Colds and flus are caused by viruses so antibiotics were largely unnecessary given the absence of secondary bacterial infection. The IM injections however did leave me and millions of other Chinese children with a debilitating condition called
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From what I gathered I thought IV fluid is only necessary if the child is severely dehydrated therefore needed it more than adults do, especially when they get sick. I guess the practices in hospitals in China has more to do with either lack of nutrition, available clean water in children that nurses and doctors prescribed them as a commonality in order to diagnose the patient. :confused:

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I have a baby as well and up until now she is only two and a half year old. When she was eight month of age, she got a fever for the first time. We were inexperience in baby sickness, and the fever was high, up to 40C (104F). She sent her to a hospital and the doctor prescribe her with IV. My parents blamed us that we're too nervous and IV is not be necessary for minor sickness. My baby got fever again after IV fluid's effective has reduced. We sent her to a different clinic, and doctor here only prescribe with oral medicine. I ask him about the use of IV, and he said usually children with fever below 38C, oral medicine only, 39C injection and 40C IV fluid.

My baby got fever quite often after that event. My wife only want the most expensive hospital for the baby. This hospital never prescribe injection or IV fluid, no matter how "hot" the baby is. The doctor told us that we should feed the baby with paracetamol when the baby is "hot" even before coming to hospital. When the baby is too "hot" (39C and above), the nurse treat her with warm water (about 37C) in order to cool her down before doctor is available.
 

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My baby got fever quite often after that event. My wife only want the most expensive hospital for the baby. This hospital never prescribe injection or IV fluid, no matter how "hot" the baby is. The doctor told us that we should feed the baby with paracetamol when the baby is "hot" even before coming to hospital. When the baby is too "hot" (39C and above), the nurse treat her with warm water (about 37C) in order to cool her down before doctor is available.

Obviously the hospital was working with the understanding that an increase in body temperature helps the immune system to fight the germs that's causing the fever. Of course there's still the danger of the temperature getting too high, and the high temperature itself is indicative of seriousness of the sickness or infection, and that it's time to go see the doctor.

The nurse is doing the right thing to use warm water because the water evaporation will further bring down the temperature to below 37C. I've heard of a friend's relative dying after being treated with ice to bring down the high temperature, but that was decades ago. Not sure hospital nowadays is still doing that.
 

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My baby got fever quite often after that event. My wife only want the most expensive hospital for the baby. This hospital never prescribe injection or IV fluid, no matter how "hot" the baby is. The doctor told us that we should feed the baby with paracetamol when the baby is "hot" even before coming to hospital. When the baby is too "hot" (39C and above), the nurse treat her with warm water (about 37C) in order to cool her down before doctor is available.

My oldest son, now 37, was born in the US Naval Hospital in Subic Bay RP in 1976. One evening he was running a high temperature and we took him to the emergency room on base. Their treatment in mid 1977 for a high temperature 104F(39.4C) was what SteelBird described...It worked of course. His treatment was directed by a Filipina civilian nurse.

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Policemen patrol at the newly-built Qingdao North Railway Station to guarantee the security in Qingdao, east China's Shandong Province, Jan. 15, 2014. Measures have been taken at the railway stations across the country to make passengers have a smooth and safe trip during the upcoming 40-day Spring Festival travel rush. (Xinhua/Li Ziheng)

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Staff members check the high-speed train schedule in a control room of Zhengzhou East Railway Station in Zhengzhou, capital of central China's Henan Province, Jan. 15, 2014. (Xinhua/Li An)

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Policemen demonstrate the seized dangerous goods at Lanzhou Railway Station in Lanzhou, capital of northwest China's Gansu Province, Jan. 15, 2014.

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A railway staff member examines and repairs the trains in Zhengzhou, capital of central China's Henan Province, Jan. 15, 2014.

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Volunteers prepare to provide consulting and guiding service at the Yinchuan Railway Station in Yinchuan, capital of northwest China's Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, Jan. 15, 2014.

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A 7-month-old baby snuggles up to its mother while waiting for the train at Hangzhou East Railway Station in Hangzhou, capital of east China's Zhejiang province, Jan. 16, 2014.

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Passengers are about to get on train at Nanjing Railway Station, capital of east China's Jiangsu Province, Jan. 16, 2014. The annual 40-day Spring Festival travel rush in China began on Thursday. Nearly 258 million Chinese are expected to travel by rail during the period. (Xinhua/Sun Can)

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Passengers are seen asleep at Changchun Railway Station in Changchun, capital of northeast China's Jilin province, Jan. 16, 2014.

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An elderly woman is supported by his son (R) and grandson while heading for a train at the Yinchuan Railway Station in Yinchuan, northwest China's Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, Jan. 16, 2014.

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Passengers fill CNR trains as the 40-day spring travel rush starts on Jan. 16 and ending on Feb. 24.

3.623 billion passengers will be moved this year, 200 million more than last year, predicted by National Development and Reform Commission. (Source: Xinhua)

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Passengers are seen through a train window at Guangzhou Railway Station in Guangzhou, south China's Guangdong Province, Jan. 16, 2014.
 

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Stylish Panda sculptures exhibited in Chengdu....English.news.cn | 01.15.2014 | Editor: Zhu Ningzhu

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A shopkeeper arranges decorations for Chinese New Year at a store in Jakarta, Indonesia, Jan. 16, 2014. The Lunar New Year begins on Jan. 31 and marks the start of the Year of the Horse, according to the Chinese zodiac. (Xinhua/Zulkarnain)

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A local fisherman shows a big fish during a floating bazaar at the Tangqi Ancient Town of Hangzhou City, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, Jan. 16, 2014. A folk activity for welcoming the lunar new year was held here on Thursday. (Xinhua/Xu Yu)

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A tourist tries to make Chinese New Year cake, or Niangao in Chinese, at the Tangqi Ancient Town of Hangzhou City, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, Jan. 16, 2014. A folk activity for welcoming the lunar new year was held here on Thursday. (Xinhua/Xu Yu)

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Tourists select goods for the upcoming Chinese New Year at the Tangqi Ancient Town of Hangzhou City, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, Jan. 16, 2014.

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A woman makes rice dumplings at the Tangqi Ancient Town of Hangzhou City, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, Jan. 16, 2014.(Xinhua/Xu Yu)

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Chinese traditional cakes are put for selling at the Tangqi Ancient Town of Hangzhou City, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, Jan. 16, 2014.

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My oldest son, now 37, was born in the US Naval Hospital in Subic Bay RP in 1976. One evening he was running a high temperature and we took him to the emergency room on base. Their treatment in mid 1977 for a high temperature 104F(39.4C) was what SteelBird described...It worked of course. His treatment was directed by a Filipina civilian nurse.

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I am thoroughly impressed with the clean and modern infrastructure of the Chinese railway system. It puts the same facility in my country to shame.
 
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