Chinese cruise and anti-ship missiles

leibowitz

Junior Member
Cj-10

Any updates on this weapon program? Seems like a mighty impressive missile--4000km range at Mach 1.5-2.5, with a CEP of <10m and a warhead of 400kg+.
 

Lion

Senior Member
YJ-12

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
If that's the YJ-12, then they completely redesigned it from the ones shown on models. In my library I have silhouette images of this labelled YJ-XX.
 
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Rising China

Junior Member
China Successfully Tests 'Carrier Killer' Missile In The Gobi Desert
Robert Johnson
Jan. 25, 2013, 9:59 AM

China's PLA "sunk" a U.S. aircraft carrier during a war game in remote China using its DF-21D "Carrier Killer" missile, reports Taiwan paper Want China Times.
The China Times is a 63 year old Taiwanese paper slightly slanted toward unification, but with a solid reputation and accurate reporting.

The Times report originates with a Google Earth image published at SAORBOATS Argentinian internet forum.

The photo shows two big craters on a 600 foot platform deep in China's Gobi desert that Chinese military testers used to simulate the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.
There has been talk of the DF-21 for years with estimates of its range, threat, and theater changing implications, but this could be the first known test of the rocket.


The Dong-Feng-21D ballistic missile is expected to ring China's coast on its truck-mounted launcher, posing a significant threat to U.S. Naval forces in the region.
The 21D is particularly deadly in that it streaks to the atmosphere guided by satellites and possibly GPS enabled drones, and then drops faster than sound straight down on its target.

Lacking a horizontal flight path could make it much more difficult to defend against and with the Navy's new carrier's running at $13 billion plus per ship, losing one would be as great a financial blow as it would be psychological and tactical.

But Defense analyst Roger Cliff points out to The Diplomat that the DF-21 faces a greater challenge than what it faced in the Gobi.

"The thing to keep in mind is that, in order for China to successfully attack a U.S. navy ship with a ballistic missile," Cliff told The Diplomat, "it must first detect the ship, identify it as a U.S. warship of a type that it wishes to attack ... [then] over-the-horizon radars used to detect ships can be jammed, spoofed, or destroyed; smoke and other obscurants can be deployed ... and when the missile locks on to the target its seeker can be jammed or spoofed."

Which is good news for U.S. troops as they're now facing a greater number of deployments to the region than at any time since WWII.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The Pentagon reports to Congress that the DF-21D is deployed opposite Taiwan.

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China’s Anti-Carrier Missile Now Opposite Taiwan, Flynn Says

By Tony Capaccio - Apr 18, 2013


The Chinese military has deployed its new anti-ship ballistic missile along its southern coast facing Taiwan, the Pentagon’s top military intelligence officer said today.

The missile, designated the DF-21D, is one of a “growing number of conventionally armed” new weapons China is deploying to the region, adding to more than 1,200 short-range missiles opposite the island democracy, U.S. Army Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, the Defense Intelligence Agency director, said in a statement to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Flynn’s reference to the DF-21D follows one made by U.S. Navy Admiral Samuel Locklear, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, in congressional testimony on April 9. He highlighted the “initial deployment of a new anti-ship missile that we believe is designed to target U.S. aircraft carriers.”

Flynn’s brief reference to the DF-21D today is significant because it advances the DIA’s assessment last year, when U.S. Army Lieutenant General Ronald Burgess, then the agency’s director, said China’s military is “probably preparing to deploy” the weapon.

The disclosure may spark increased scrutiny in Congress this year about the vulnerability of the Navy’s aircraft carriers, including the new Gerald R. Ford class being built by Newport News, Virginia-based Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc.. (HII)

The Navy estimates that the first new carrier will cost at least $12.3 billion, and the service’s budget request for the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 includes $1.68 billion for new aircraft carriers, more than double this year’s $781.7 million request. Of that, $945 million would pay for continued design and construction of the second Ford-class carrier, the USS John F. Kennedy.

‘Immediate Need’

Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s director of operational testing, warned in his January 2012 annual report that the Navy lacked a target needed to check its defenses against the DF-21D. The Navy had an “immediate need” for a test missile able to replicate the DF-21D’s trajectory, Gilmore said.

Last July, Gilmore told Navy Secretary Ray Mabus in a memo that testing to evaluate the new carriers’ “ability to withstand shock and survive in combat” would be postponed until after the Kennedy is built, and may not be completed for seven years.

The DF-21D is intended to give China “the capability to attack large ships, particularly aircraft carriers, in the western Pacific,” the Pentagon’s 2012 China report said. The report cites estimates that the missile’s range exceeds 930 miles (1,500 kilometers).

Carrier Hunters

The missiles are designed be be launched to a general location, where their guidance systems take over and spot carriers to attack with warheads intended to destroy the ships’ flight decks, launch catapults and control towers.

U.S. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert told defense reporters in March 2012 that the Navy is evaluating how to defeat the missile during all phases of flight, using methods such as jamming the missiles’ sensors, reducing the electronic emissions from U.S. ships, and intercepting the missile.

“Some call that links of a chain,” Greenert said. “You want to break as many links as possible.”

In its fiscal 2014 Budget Highlights book, the Navy said it’s working a “kill chain” against an unspecified weapon.

The Navy, the book says, wants to integrate the capabilities of the Falls Church, Virginia-based Northrop Grumman Corp.’s (NOC) E-2D Advanced Hawkeye surveillance aircraft; Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed Martin Corp.’s (LMT) Aegis surveillance and missile defense system; and Waltham, Massachusetts-based Raytheon Co.’s (RTN) Cooperative Engagement Capability sensor network linking ships and Standard Missile-6 interceptors “to keep pace with the evolving threat.”

Analysts including Mark Gunzinger, a senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, and some naval officers worry that the new carriers, while formidable warships, may not be able to get close enough for their planes to attack enemies, such as China and Iran, that are armed with precision- guided anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles.

To contact the reporter on this story: Tony Capaccio in Washington at [email protected]

To contact the editor responsible for this story: John Walcott at [email protected]

Here's the link to the report. It only mentions the DF-21D in one line as part of the missiles deployed towards Taiwan.

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Lion

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The threat of DF-21D ASBM is real and is a working one. The fact, USA are working on all kind of possible way to disrupt the ASBM trajectory proves they have witness fire test of it.

Is it possible second artillery could have conducted a live ASBM test on qinghai lake with a ship? Instead of firing into western pacific?
We know they have fired on fixed target but not known to have tested on any ship yet. Qinghai lake is quite big one. Is it possible they conducted one secretly?
 
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advill

Junior Member
Missiles and counter missiles, and counter missiles missiles et al will always be experimented by the countries concerned. The only way to see whether their weapon's systems work would be actual encounters - that of course would be unfortunate as it means serious conflicts that would lead to a War. Will economic priorities for the good of the countries in the Asia-Pacific take precedent over military considerations and confrontation? The answer lies with the "owls' in respective governments/diplomats, and hopefully not the military hawks!




The Pentagon reports to Congress that the DF-21D is deployed opposite Taiwan.



Here's the link to the report. It only mentions the DF-21D in one line as part of the missiles deployed towards Taiwan.

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jobjed

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The Pentagon reports to Congress that the DF-21D is deployed opposite Taiwan.



Here's the link to the report. It only mentions the DF-21D in one line as part of the missiles deployed towards Taiwan.

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The DF-21D is tailor-made for anti-ships; unless Taiwan has a REALLY big carrier black project, I don't see any reason why the DF-21D would need to be used against Taiwan considering DF-15's are already covering the Taiwanese landmass.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
The DF-21D is tailor-made for anti-ships; unless Taiwan has a REALLY big carrier black project, I don't see any reason why the DF-21D would need to be used against Taiwan considering DF-15's are already covering the Taiwanese landmass.

duhh, it's not for Taiwan .. to deter US CBG to come near Taiwam
 

Schumacher

Senior Member
The threat of DF-21D ASBM is real and is a working one. The fact, USA are working on all kind of possible way to disrupt the ASBM trajectory proves they have witness fire test of it.

Is it possible second artillery could have conducted a live ASBM test on qinghai lake with a ship? Instead of firing into western pacific?
We know they have fired on fixed target but not known to have tested on any ship yet. Qinghai lake is quite big one. Is it possible they conducted one secretly?

Didn't they test it out on an old Yuan Wang ?
 
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