Chinese cruise and anti-ship missiles

Lion

Senior Member
Didn't they test it out on an old Yuan Wang ?

That might just be a sensor tracking by Chinese satelite.. If 2nd artillery really do a live test(ASBM) in Yuan Wang. USN will able to track the whole trajectory process and even the final sensor guide mode in the pacific or SCS.

While doing in Qinghai lake will ensure the final sensor guide be kept secret from USN while US still able to just track the firing movement that China will send a message that,it has a working ASBM that can threaten their CVBG.
 

Engineer

Major
This is officially said to be a new target drone, and it has obvious heritage from a cruise missile.
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Tags: China; Imgur; cruise missile; newly developed; target drone;
 

no_name

Colonel
It's used to test certain ship's (052C/D?) missile system and is capable of advanced maneuvers.

Resembles like club, YJ-18 missiles.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I find this news sort of bizarre since you'd figure the US has target drones to simulate cruise missiles themselves. What have they been using to practice with? Plus the US Naval War College has known and simulated war games for a couple decades now knowing China will use saturation missile attacks upon the US Navy. It seems very last minute.

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Navy Seeking Fake Chinese Missiles

By Mark ThompsonJune 12, 20131

No, the service doesn’t actually name China, but that’s most like who it has in mind now that it’s seeking an “Aerial Target System to Simulate Subsonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles.”

Because how can the Navy be sure it can shoot down the real thing if it doesn’t practice on fake ones, first?

Cruise missiles – which don’t get all the attention given their ballistic brethren – can be far more troublesome. Unlike ballistic missiles, which tend to follow a predictable path through the heavens, where they can be easily detected against an empty sky, cruise missiles tend to skim, and maneuver, just above the waves. That makes them far tougher to detect and destroy.

“The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland hereby requests market and technology information on industry’s existing and potential capabilities to provide a cost effective aerial target system to simulate subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles that operate in the high subsonic regime and other air platforms,” the Navy says. “This aerial target system will be used to support developmental and operational testing of Naval combat systems while providing services in support of advanced fleet training.”

The fake enemy cruise missile should be capable of being launched from shore, sea or air, and operated with a preloaded flight plan or remotely by a human. “Preference is for a recoverable air vehicle with watertight compartments for carrying internal electronic payloads, as well as the ability to carry fixed and deployable stores from the air vehicle’s wingtips,” the Navy says.

You can glean just how challenging they can be by checking out the characteristics the Navy wants for its fake enemy missiles:


Waves: up to four feet high.

Speed: 0.95 Mach, just below the speed of sound; about 700 miles an hour.

Missile altitude above four-foot high waves: 79 inches.

Maneuverability: up to 8 Gs (the Air Force’s F-16 can pull up to 9Gs)

Range: up to 400 nautical miles.

Number of flights per target: 30

Cost per flight: $9,500.

The Defense Department’s most recent report on Beijing’s military says:


Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles: The PLA Navy is deploying the domestically-produced, ship-launched YJ-62 ASCM; the Russian SS-N-22/SUNBURN supersonic ASCM, which is fitted on China’s SOVREMENNY-class DDGs acquired from Russia; and the Russian SS-N-27B/SIZZLER supersonic ASCM on China’s Russian-built KILO SS. It has, or is acquiring, nearly a dozen ASCM variants, ranging from the 1950s-era CSS-N-2 to the modern Russian-made SS-N-22 and SS-N-27B. China is working to develop a domestically-built supersonic cruise missile capability. The pace of ASCM research, development, and production has accelerated over the past decade.

Better speed up production of those dummy doppelgangers.


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Engineer

Major
Here is some new information on ASBM system.
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The document focus on various accomplishments in ASBM that were achieved in 2007. Everything mentioned here has already been tested and put into service.

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Methods for detection, localization and tracking of ships were developed, enabling space space surveillance system in direct support of long distance strike systems. The text stresses the importance of the resulting system in monitoring movements of 19 capital ships.

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The text in this diagram mentions two means of locating ships. One is through triangulation of EM emission. The other is through the stitching and processing of multiple satellite images. Both methods are done automatically, as in no human intervention. The latter method achieved 98% accuracy in automatically identification of 19 capital ships. Most importantly, ASBM has already gone through a full scale test as a result.

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In addition to ELINT and optical imaging platforms, the system also incorporates the use of Radar Satellites. The system is already in use, with applications in monitoring of world wide hot spots, Diaoyudao, and natural disasters.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Here is some new information on ASBM system.
fBvpLFD.jpg

The document focus on various accomplishments in ASBM that were achieved in 2007. Everything mentioned here has already been tested and put into service.

WSwI47N.jpg

Methods for detection, localization and tracking of ships were developed, enabling space space surveillance system in direct support of long distance strike systems. The text stresses the importance of the resulting system in monitoring movements of 19 capital ships.

mR2H4tD.jpg

The text in this diagram mentions two means of locating ships. One is through triangulation of EM emission. The other is through the stitching and processing of multiple satellite images. Both methods are done automatically, as in no human intervention. The latter method achieved 98% accuracy in automatically identification of 19 capital ships. Most importantly, ASBM has already gone through a full scale test as a result.

uWkatFj.jpg

In addition to ELINT and optical imaging platforms, the system also incorporates the use of Radar Satellites. The system is already in use, with applications in monitoring of world wide hot spots, Diaoyudao, and natural disasters.

This is excellent news exactly as I was telling people here but nobody believe it . Some even said ASBM is nothing psychological ploy. yeah you are right

The day of gun boat diplomacy is over and China now has the mean to deter any encroachment of her territory or effort to blackmail No more repeat of 1998.

The news coincide with yesterday launching of Yaogang 17 which is 3 satellites constellation NOSS with SAR, Electromagnetic sensor and optic sensor to cover all the ground with the overlapping sensors to avoid jamming or effort to disrupt one of the sensor.

Well the news is from 2007 by now the system must be improved, deployed and running.

Don't tell me that US navy has antidote in form of SM3.They don't even surrogate to mimic Chinese subsonic Cruise missile let alone surrogate for IRBM like DF21D.Apparently they are now requesting proposal to industry for surrogate Chinese missile

Navy Seeking Fake Chinese Missiles
By Mark Thompson @MarkThompson_DCJune 12, 20132 Comments

No, the service doesn’t actually name China, but that’s most like who it has in mind now that it’s seeking an “Aerial Target System to Simulate Subsonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles.”

Because how can the Navy be sure it can shoot down the real thing if it doesn’t practice on fake ones, first?

Cruise missiles – which don’t get all the attention given their ballistic brethren – can be far more troublesome. Unlike ballistic missiles, which tend to follow a predictable path through the heavens, where they can be easily detected against an empty sky, cruise missiles tend to skim, and maneuver, just above the waves. That makes them far tougher to detect and destroy.

“The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland hereby requests market and technology information on industry’s existing and potential capabilities to provide a cost effective aerial target system to simulate subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles that operate in the high subsonic regime and other air platforms,” the Navy says. “This aerial target system will be used to support developmental and operational testing of Naval combat systems while providing services in support of advanced fleet training.”

The fake enemy cruise missile should be capable of being launched from shore, sea or air, and operated with a preloaded flight plan or remotely by a human. “Preference is for a recoverable air vehicle with watertight compartments for carrying internal electronic payloads, as well as the ability to carry fixed and deployable stores from the air vehicle’s wingtips,” the Navy says.

You can glean just how challenging they can be by checking out the characteristics the Navy wants for its fake enemy missiles:

Waves: up to four feet high.

Speed: 0.95 Mach, just below the speed of sound; about 700 miles an hour.

Missile altitude above four-foot high waves: 79 inches.

Maneuverability: up to 8 Gs (the Air Force’s F-16 can pull up to 9Gs)

Range: up to 400 nautical miles.

Number of flights per target: 30

Cost per flight: $9500


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escobar

Brigadier
where do this documents come from?

Supposed to come from extracts of an official dossier submitted for the 2013 Academician nomination. the guy has worked in the field of satellite data processing and application and the design of YG-9, YG-16 and YG-17 constellations.
 

escobar

Brigadier
Here is some new information on ASBM system.

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Methods for detection, localization and tracking of ships were developed, enabling space space surveillance system in direct support of long distance strike systems. The text stresses the importance of the resulting system in monitoring movements of 19 capital ships.

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The text in this diagram mentions two means of locating ships. One is through triangulation of EM emission. The other is through the stitching and processing of multiple satellite images. Both methods are done automatically, as in no human intervention. The latter method achieved 98% accuracy in automatically identification of 19 capital ships. Most importantly, ASBM has already gone through a full scale test as a result.

I would like to know the identity of those 19 capital ships. I guess the USN 10 carriers are included...
 

Blitzo

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I would like to know the identity of those 19 capital ships. I guess the USN 10 carriers are included...

I'm more interested in knowing what the 98% figure means. Does that mean 98% = 19 capital ships identified (which would test the detection and holistic coverage of the system), or that they correctly identified the type of ship for 19 capital ships (which would test the identification and resolution/accuracy of the system)?


And it doesn't mention the bases of actually datalinking with AShBM, but I suppose having a robust area surveillance system is the most important step.
 
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