There are a few dead links too. For example 辛万青 and 江涌.
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“免职” is indeed a neutral term.“免职” is not a disciplinary measure, but a form of organizational processing. The fact that Li ended up in a bad way in your example doesn't take away from the meaning of the word “免职”, which is a special word used only for the purpose of “abolishing the position”. It doesn't determine what happens afterward. It is also used by personnel when they are promoted or transferred. I have an example: just as when you change the batteries in an alarm clock, take the batteries out of it is called “免职”, take them out and throwing them in the trash is called “撤职”. In general, if you do not hear anything about it for several months, it would be dangerous.
More importantly, in the examples you listed, the “免职” were made by official state agencies, whereas companies.com is just a civilian media outlet. We can't rule out hype.
We need more time.
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superdog
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His page was there in 2023 March, and was removed by 2023 Sept for unknown reasons. The page removal was not likely to be related to corruption since he was still active in late 2023 and 2024.
As long as the name itself is not removed, the lack of a description page is not indicative of removal in CAS membership status.
You can check for yourself using the internet archive:
Yeah look my point is that whether 免职 is used or not is not indicative of whether he is just retired or whether he's investigated - so I agree that we need more time.
FYI the last time he was 'publicly' seen was end of Oct last year - so we are getting to that point where, as you said, 'it would be dangerous'.
That he was unceremoniously scrubbed from the AVIC website is more concerning (see the Qin Gang saga when he was removed from the MoFA website). If he retired, his accomplishments would justify significant pomp and circumstance - not an unceremonious scrub. But this should be watched - if there are 'leaked' images of his retirement ceremony.
I think what some other members here should recognize is that him being investigated is not good or bad news, its just news - good that they're rooting out corruption regardless of accomplishments; bad that someone like him was involved in corruption.
Thanks for the context, this is helpful.
In fact, “a few months” means “counting from the date of removal from office”, and the example I apply here is that of Tan Ruisong, the former Chairman of the China Aviation Industry Corporation.
I agree that the removal does seem sudden, but sources say that although Yang Wei has been removed from his position as vice president of AVIC, he has been retained as director of the Aviation Technology Innovation Center of the National Defense Science and Technology Industry . So it's still something to look at again, I guess.
Yes, I agree it's just news, but I think we're really focusing on this Yang Wei thing because he's just so well known. And the reaction of people around this incident is something to watch. As I wrote in another post: focus on the impact of his incident on two things:
1, Yang Wei was just reassigned/retired, which happens to be yet another hype with no official statement.
2, Yang Wei will be investigated.
Either way, we will face a propaganda war from the West and need to appease the public reaction to this.
I think some here aren't familiar with how deep corruption runs within the PLA and China's MIC. I think they'd be less inclined to dismiss it or relegate it to "propaganda" if they had an idea of how much it hinders China's warfighting capabilities. And so often the response is whataboutism. Yeah, comparison does matter, that doesn't mean it's not a huge problem
For the record, I've also seen some rumours regarding Yang Wei, and I'd classify the rumour to be "credible enough to pay attention to". It's also possible for investigation and transfer to both be true. The issue isn't just 免职 by itself, but rather there's also a decent amount of noise.
For the record, I've also seen some rumours regarding Yang Wei, and I'd classify the rumour to be "credible enough to pay attention to". It's also possible for investigation and transfer to both be true. The issue isn't just 免职 by itself, but rather there's also a decent amount of noise.
superdog
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It's basically a UAV converted Y-5B, looks like they're still using the Polish engine for the Y-5B? That piston engine is extremely mature, almost 90 years old (with modifications over the years, but still...)