Folks please calm down!
Chinese Aviation Industry
- Thread starter FriedRiceNSpice
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Not sure why there is a rush to deny corruption allegations. It seems to me that this is very plausible. This guy was originally a researcher, then he was promoted to a managerial role. it is highly possible that as someone who is not quite experienced in leadership positions that he would succumb to certain "errors in judgment".
My point is simply that the lack of evidence is not the evidence of lack of corruption. As I clearly stated, it was a rumour - part of the rumour (he's been removed) has played out. We'll obviously need to see what happens next - and I will happily take my words back if he shows up somewhere else (i.e promoted).
I expect those who attacked me for posting to also take back their words if he does indeed become indicted for corruption.
I dunno, but isn't "innocent until proven guilty" the norm? Would be helpful if you or anyone have some sort of evidence to support this stance. Till then innocence should be assumed.
Let's approach this logically:
- there are rumours
- from where or whom?
- are they credible? You can make a thousand predictions a day and a handful few could come true within a month. Doesn't make you credible.
- do they have an agenda to push?
- any actual evidence or proof?
Until you're able to validly and confidently answer all of above and uphold to future scrutiny, then it's fine.
Unlike jumping to support corruption rumours, yeah.
And what, pop up next time when there's more rumours and pretend like nothing happened?
What audacity. Didn't you publicly attack first?
These are accounts on Twitter who've had a track record of 'announcing' anti-corruption investigations (in other domains) ahead of time before the official announcement. I recognize that you may not follow them so you don't know their accuracy so I appreciate the question, but I think you should also recognize the possible existence of such actors. As an example, there were many people who functionally acknowledged the sacking of Qin Gang before the official announcement.
Obviously their track record is not 100%, which is why I didn't bother posting in a large forum such as this when this first surfaced.
However, given that he's been removed, I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that he indeed was involved in an anti-corruption investigation, especially in context of the recent anti-corruption investigations involving people in the military research institutes (you would be living under a rock if you haven't seen this).
Exhibit A:
(Zhu Zhisong was formally announced on Nov 26, this account announced it on Nov 24)
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Well, how many predictions do they make versus and how many of them turned out to be true? Like, actual jailed and criminal offense true. For example, one can claim that person A will be removed (免职 is a neutral word, mind you) due to corruption but in reality they just retired or moved to other (minor) roles. If it was demotion due to corruption (etc.) it would be "撤职".
I am aware of them. Most, if not all, has an agenda to push.
How ironic.
Oh he was indeed. But people have clarified that it was to assist an investigation. The spotlight wasn't on him IIRC.
I find it certainly odd that you would consider corruption charges over retirement considering his age and what he accomplished so far.
Now you play victim of attack as if you did not throw insult first? Another evidence of what you were accused of.
Because corruption is not happening at all in the PLA.
As @siegecrossbow clearly stated, the guy who built the HSR was investigated. His accomplishments do not negate anti-corruption investigation (ask Li Shangfu).
This is the evidence from a discord group - the person unfortunately deleted the tweet, but Discord archives the text. Note the timestamp.
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@siegecrossbow and I were both unable to access his page in CAS. As a CAS 院士, which is a lifetime title, he would not have given it up if he was retired or moved to another role.
@taxiya @Alfa_Particle let me know if you can access it
Apparently someone in Otter’s comments section did a wayback machine reload and the link was never actually active. It is not definitive. Let’s wait for official reveal.