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b787

Captain
What are similar production rates from airbus and Boeing for equivalent sized aircraft ?
the closest equivalent are not from Airbus or Boeing, but from Embraer and Bombardier.


And the rate is far too low see
In 2014, Embraer will produce 90 to 95 E-Jets, or roughly eight monthly – the same rate at which the manufacturer is producing the aircraft this year, says Embraer chief executive Frederico Curado.
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and far too low for Airbus

Of the 2016 deliveries the single-aisle A320 family accounted for 545. It delivered the first 17 aircraft from the Mobile, Alabama assembly line, plus others from the line at Tianjin in China. Plans call for a fourth assembly line at Hamburg to begin production this summer. By mid-2019 Airbus expects to raise monthly production from the current 50 aircraft to 60.


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b787

Captain
@b787 ,

What's your take on the Mitsubishi Regional Jet in terms of market viability. Will its fuel efficiency be enough to ensure its survival?
To be honest i do not what to say, perhaps might sell a lots of aircraft to be honest i do not know, time will tell.

Regarding the ARJ-21, i think the jet is becoming obsolete, i think China if they have a winner might be the C-919, the ARJ-21 is basically a re-vamped DC-9 variant, regardless they say it is original and so like they say J-11 or J-15 are Chinese designs.


The airliner market in Asia, is the world largest, and China and Japan are part of this market, but i see China has a Soviet style marketing system COMAC sales are to Chinese airliners backed and founded by the Chinese government.

The market might justify it, but beyond China i do not see any success to the ARJ-21s.
MRJ are trying to sell it beyond Japan in a way COMAC has not been successful.


The C-919 has an advanced design perhaps it might get some oversea sales in quantity.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
To be honest i do not what to say, perhaps might sell a lots of aircraft to be honest i do not know, time will tell.

Regarding the ARJ-21, i think the jet is becoming obsolete, i think China if they have a winner might be the C-919, the ARJ-21 is basically a re-vamped DC-9 variant, regardless they say it is original and so like they say J-11 or J-15 are Chinese designs.


The airliner market in Asia, is the world largest, and China and Japan are part of this market, but i see China has a Soviet style marketing system COMAC sales are to Chinese airliners backed and founded by the Chinese government.

The market might justify it, but beyond China i do not see any success to the ARJ-21s.
MRJ are trying to sell it beyond Japan in a way COMAC has not been successful.


The C-919 has an advanced design perhaps it might get some oversea sales in quantity.

ARJ 21 is not obsolete It has its place as feeder aircraft China now has a lot of small airport serving isolated small city specially in the west NO it is not a copy of DC 9 It has critical wing. new engine for high altitude take off
It is a bit heavy since China does not have carbon fibre technology when they first designed the plane

MRJ is no more successful than C919. It has been postponed over and over again And wont; be available until 2020 if not postponed again
 

b787

Captain
ARJ 21 is not obsolete It has its place as feeder aircraft China now has a lot of small airport serving isolated small city specially in the west NO it is not a copy of DC 9 It has critical wing. new engine for high altitude take off
It is a bit heavy since China does not have carbon fibre technology when they first designed the plane

MRJ is no more successful than C919. It has been postponed over and over again And wont; be available until 2020 if not postponed again
ARJ-21 is basically a revamped and winged DC-9
Comac ARJ21 Development of the Comac ARJ21 started in 2003 and first flight, after a series of delays, occurred in November 2008. No aircraft has been delivered up to now (April/2011). The order book has accumulated, in firm orders and options, more than 250 aircraft. Chinese airlines are the main clients but the American leasing company GECAS ordered fifty of the commuters. The smaller version (ARJ21-700) can seat 78 to 90 passengers and the stretched version (ARJ21-900) 98 to 105. The ARJ21 resembles the venerable DC-9 and not by coincidence. Not only the configuration is the same of the DC-9 family (and Fokker 100, Embraer ERJ 145, and Bombardier CRJs'), but also Comac is manufacturing the aircraft with tooling that McDonnell Douglas provided for license-production of the MD-90. The ARJ21 has identical tail, cabin cross section and nose profile of the DC-9, MD’s and Boeing 717. The ARJ21 has the heritage of a successful airframe and systems from traditional western suppliers (General Electric CF34 turbofan, Rockwell Collins avionics, Honeywell fly-by-wire system and others). The recent agreement of cooperation between Comac and Bombardier may help sales primarally outside China, with Bombardier's client support network. Exactly how his cooperation will work in practice, is not known, as the ARJ21 is a direct competitor of the CRJs. Before entering full production, Comac has to fix the wing (designed and calculated by the Antonov design bureau) that failed in static tests. As result, limitations on the flight envelope of the prototypes was imposed by China’s certification authorities. This limitation will result in delay on the flight tests, certification and initial deliveries

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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The ARJ21 resembles the venerable DC-9 and not by coincidence. Not only the configuration is the same of the DC-9 family (and Fokker 100, Embraer ERJ 145, and Bombardier CRJs'), but also Comac is manufacturing the aircraft with tooling that McDonnell Douglas provided for license-production of the MD-90

It is nothing but speculation of western press just because aircraft resembled doesn't mean it is copy
To begin with it has different engine, different wing, different avionic, serve different segment of market, has higher attitude capability since most Chinese airport in the west is on higher plateau. which DC9 doesn't have
If the fuselage is the similar so what most of the aircraft in the world has similar looking fuselage

So what if they used existing tool ! unqualified journalist who doesn't a &&& about aircraft
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
I don't see b787 claiming it is a COPY.
In his own words he states that it is;

a revamped and winged DC-9
Utilizing notes stating;

Not only the configuration is the same of the DC-9 family (and Fokker 100, Embraer ERJ 145, and Bombardier CRJs'), but also Comac is manufacturing the aircraft with tooling that McDonnell Douglas provided for license-production of the MD-90.
Which basically meaning it's belongs to the DC-9 family with others like the Fokker100, ERJ 145 and Bombardier CRJ but not exactly the same.

Big difference there.
 

Quickie

Colonel
No one is saying the Dreamliner and the A350 is a copy of each other although they probably have closer specs than that between the ARJ21 (with its super critical wing design) and its contemporary equivalent, not to mention the DC-9.

The ARJ-21 is incomparable to the DC-9 since the latter wouldn't be able to operate in the kind of conditions that the ARJ-21 is designed for.

The ARJ21 regional jet is being developed by the AVIC I Commercial Aircraft Company (ACAC), based in Shanghai, which is a consortium of six companies and aerospace research institutes carrying out the development and manufacture of the aircraft. The aircraft performance parameters meet the diverse and demanding conditions in China, including the hot-and-high altitude conditions in Western China. The aircraft has a powerful take-off and climbing performance to allow the use of basic airports with short runways.

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