Chinese Aviation Industry

Boeing and Airbus will most likely offer special deals to China like ToT and production facilities in China (I thought Airbus already has production facilities in China?) just to stay in the Chinese market.

Once c919 actually prove to be comparable to the latest 737, both Boeing and Airbus stock will go into free fall because China is practically their last big growth market.

Blackstone said:

If it's anywhere near the Boeing 737, then it'll sell big in China, due to its regulated economy. I wonder how high are the red flags in Boeing and Airbus boardrooms.

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My own experience from my industry is (just for the feeling), within five years from just entering the radar to the Nr. 1 competitor. Pretty scary.

Ultra said:

Boeing and Airbus will most likely offer special deals to China like ToT and production facilities in China (I thought Airbus already has production facilities in China?) just to stay in the Chinese market.

Once c919 actually prove to be comparable to the latest 737, both Boeing and Airbus stock will go into free fall because China is practically their last big growth market.

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Not necessarily.

It is about concession, mutual entrance to markets. Either US and EU let in Comac by not hindering FAA certification in return to keep China's market open for Boeing and Airbus, or block Comac by regularity measures (noise, pollution etc.) and give up China's market but also have US and EU exclusive for Boeing and Airbus. I have seen both ways playing in my industry, now is the "blocking" stage in my industry. Either way, there is market for Boeing and Airbus, no free fall.

Ultra said:

Boeing and Airbus will most likely offer special deals to China like ToT and production facilities in China (I thought Airbus already has production facilities in China?) just to stay in the Chinese market.

Once c919 actually prove to be comparable to the latest 737, both Boeing and Airbus stock will go into free fall because China is practically their last big growth market.

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This is completely nonsense. For example, Airbus at the moment has more A320s order from Indigo and AirAsia than all of Chinese airlines. I'm not even going to the rest of the argument on how ludicrous this is.

Concept passenger airliner.

AssassinsMace said:

Concept passenger airliner.

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Airlines have been resisting such concepts for half a century, now I come to think of it still longer - remember Burnelli? - because too few passengers would have a window seat and that when in some aircraft they put in rows of 11 seats!

It seems that this design can incorporate the normal arrangement of windows. Notice the wing blends with the lower half of the fuselage.

AssassinsMace said:

Concept passenger airliner.

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Bigger the wings, bigger the drag.
Unless there is some benefit in economy in enlarging the wings engineers will not consider it.

CFM certificates C919 engine ahead of first flight

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• 21 DECEMBER, 2016
  
• SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL PRO

CFM International has certificated the integrated propulsion system (IPS) for the Leap-1C with the European Aviation Safety Agency and the US Federal Aviation Administration to clear one of the key regulatory hurdles for launching the Comac C919 airliner into commercial service.

Consisting of the engine, nacelle and thrust reverser, the Leap-1C IPS marks the third version of CFM’s latest single-aisle engine family to achieve certification. The Airbus A320neo, powered by the Leap-1A and the rival Pratt & Whitney PW1100G, entered service earlier this year. CFM also received certification for the Leap-1B for the Boeing 737 Max, which remains in development.

“It has been an incredible year for the LEAP program, culminating in the certification of the third model in this engine family,” says Allen Paxson, executive vice-president for CFM.

Comac launched the Leap engine development programme in 2009, with an original entry into service target of 2016. Delays have shifted first delivery to Chinese customers back two years. Comac plans to begin flying the first C919 test aircraft by the end of this year.

The certification milestone comes exactly seven years after Comac announced the selection of the Leap-1C engine for the 130-200 seat airline family.

The Leap-1C shares identical turbomachinery with the Leap-1A engine for the A320neo, differing only in the items that interface with components on the C919 airframe.



Congratulations

SamuraiBlue said:

Bigger the wings, bigger the drag.
Unless there is some benefit in economy in enlarging the wings engineers will not consider it.

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Reduction in wing weight, increase in space for cargo or, formerly important, fuel. You have to compare your design with your specification.