The only place it mentions about the China-Russia wide-body jet program is it says the general manager of the China-Russia wide-body jet program were present, along with a long list of other guests. As far as I know, the China-Russia program is still under discussion, and not a done deal yet. I believe China will proceed with its wide-body jet program with or without Russia involvements. Also, it's not clear to me whether this target wide-body jet is the same as the C929 program.
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The only place it mentions about the China-Russia wide-body jet program is it says the general manager of the China-Russia wide-body jet program were present, along with a long list of other guests. As far as I know, the China-Russia program is still under discussion, and not a done deal yet. I believe China will proceed with its wide-body jet program with or without Russia involvements. Also, it's not clear to me whether this target wide-body jet is the same as the C929 program.
It's literally the first line of the article...
They are already making components for testing.
But that's a research program by AVIC Industrial Composite Materials Institute, not a joint China-Russia research program. See this part from the report:
"谢富原汇报项目研制情况，中航工业复材承担中国商飞北研中心“远程宽体客机机身曲面壁板自动铺丝工艺及整体成形技术研究和复合材料结构验证试验件制造”和 中国商飞上飞院“民机典型复材机身结构关键技术集成验证”等项目，项目隶属工信部民机科研项目，其主要内容是开展宽体客机复合材料机身曲面壁板的制造。"
asif iqbal
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Hmmm confusing
C919 is a Chinese project and like the ARJ21 and the enlarged version of the ARJ21 like -700 and -900 I would expect it to continue as a COMAC project which it is
So why for C929 they have joint with Russia? Doesn't make sense this will actually complicate the development of the C929 adding in a partner at this late stage delaying things
C929 and C939 are building on the C919 platform maybe the China Russia programme is some other project for a wide body airliner as it just doesn't add up adding Russian into C929
C919 is a Chinese project and like the ARJ21 and the enlarged version of the ARJ21 like -700 and -900 I would expect it to continue as a COMAC project which it is
So why for C929 they have joint with Russia? Doesn't make sense this will actually complicate the development of the C929 adding in a partner at this late stage delaying things
C929 and C939 are building on the C919 platform maybe the China Russia programme is some other project for a wide body airliner as it just doesn't add up adding Russian into C929
I think You misunderstand here something ! The C919 is indeed a pure-Chinese program running in competition to Russia's MS-21.
The C929 however is not only a larger, longer C919 but a completely new aircraft said to be in the class of the 787 or A.350. As such it is not too late, since this type's development has not started yet and due to the size of this project, another investor is not a bad idea.
The C939 is even more undefined so far.
The C929 however is not only a larger, longer C919 but a completely new aircraft said to be in the class of the 787 or A.350. As such it is not too late, since this type's development has not started yet and due to the size of this project, another investor is not a bad idea.
The C939 is even more undefined so far.
This article is from 27 october. It talks about the start of the development of C929. There is no mention of russian participation. It talks about choosing suppliers in 2017.
I think that the 929 project is separated from the sino-russian project.
I don't think China is going to persue two wide-body airliner projects simultaneously. So there is only C929 project. If Russia joins the project, it will be C929/(Russian designation), a commonly shared project, if Russia decides not to, it will be C929 only, a pure Chinese design.
I don't see a conflict of C929 and Sino-Russian wide-body airliner. It's the same thing.
I also think it is not late for Russia to join and invest. Russia still has more experience in big plane design inherited from Soviet Union, Ukraine may has get most of the engineers, but Russia surely has lots of design/experiment data etc. Two is always better than one.
I actually see a prospect of future Sino-Russian cooperation similar like France-Germany-Italy-Spain EADS after all sides realize that it is better to cooperate than compete.
I don't see a conflict of C929 and Sino-Russian wide-body airliner. It's the same thing.
I also think it is not late for Russia to join and invest. Russia still has more experience in big plane design inherited from Soviet Union, Ukraine may has get most of the engineers, but Russia surely has lots of design/experiment data etc. Two is always better than one.
I actually see a prospect of future Sino-Russian cooperation similar like France-Germany-Italy-Spain EADS after all sides realize that it is better to cooperate than compete.
superdog
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C929 will be a wide body aircraft with a completely different cross-section, so it cannot possibly be an extension of the C919 platform. It will be a new platform in itself, and it is still in the early stages of development. The Russian have more experience in building wide body airliners and high-bypass turbofans while the Chinese have more capital and market capacity to ensure the economic return of a high-investment project. The political ties between the two are also fairly stable. So it totally make sense for them to work together on this.
Even if the Russian suddenly pulls out for some reason, COMAC should still be able to finish it on its own, perhaps with just a little more time and cost. The risk should be minimal.
Like taxiya said, I also do not think they will try to develop two different wide body airliners at the same time. The joint project and the C929 should be the same thing, maybe there will also be a Russian built version with a different model name. This project will certainly not be a Chinese built Il-96.
Besides the civilian market, you know both China and Russia would want a newer, higher performance and more efficient wide-body platform (as compared to Il-76/96/Y-20) for AWACS and aerial refueling etc. in the long run. This project would also fulfill that role.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Anyone know latest on Z-15 ? Project has faded into obscurity
are you talking specifically about the Chinese variant? If so, it has not flied yet, the first flying object is still being assembled as of November 2015.
Also the intended engine WZ16/Ardiden3C just passed "stationary test run" in France in November 2015. So if Z15 need to wait for it to make its maiden flight, I guess it will be at least some time in late 2016. As the airbus variant H175 is only different from Z15 by the engine (P&W), I am not sure a Chinese fully owned Z15 with a temperary P&W engine should be counted as Z15 or H175 as H175 is already in service.
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