Chinese air to air missiles

Blitzo

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Orca claims that PL-16 has similar configuration to AIM-260. Only problem? It has been in service for a couple years already.

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Which specific post (text) is that, for the purpose of our record keeping?

The part linked: "吹了三年多牛逼呢,造出来一看霹雳16" -- I translate as saying that "the US has boasted about it (AIM-260) for over three years, and that when it emerges it will immediately face the PL-16".
 

siegecrossbow

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Which specific post (text) is that, for the purpose of our record keeping?

The part linked: "吹了三年多牛逼呢,造出来一看霹雳16" -- I translate as saying that "the US has boasted about it (AIM-260) for over three years, and that when it emerges it will immediately face the PL-16".
That’s not a precise translation. It’s not immediately face PL-16 but “at a glance looks like PL-16”.

While we’ve been speculating about folding fins it appears that PLAAF’s solution to fitting six missiles in the J-20’s main bay is to dispense with them all together.
 

Blitzo

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That’s not a precise translation. It’s not immediately face PL-16 but “at a glance looks like PL-16”.

That makes sense.
I do think the three years part refers to the US bragging about AIM-260 in the last three years, rather than reflecting on PL-16 being in service for a few years though.


While we’ve been speculating about folding fins it appears that PLAAF’s solution to fitting six missiles in the J-20’s main bay is to dispense with them all together.

I don't think we speculated about folding fins as the only way for them to approach a next gen BVRAAM, but rather one among many ways (smaller fins overall, for example being another). In the case of the new folding fin PL-15E variant with Zhuhai, folding fins is clearly still viable.

For PL-16, the issue is overall wingspan.
If PL-16 has a configuration similar to a downsized PL-17 or this AIM-260, it will still have tailfins that they will have to work around.
Whether those tailfins are small enough that will allow them to carry six of them in a staggered way or not, is an open question imo.

Heck it may be that PL-16 with a PL-17/AIM-260 configuration will still have folding tailfins.
Also, for all we know the AIM-260 has folding tailfins as standard as well, it's not like the CGIs of it are decisive.
 

Jason_

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Which specific post (text) is that, for the purpose of our record keeping?

The part linked: "吹了三年多牛逼呢,造出来一看霹雳16" -- I translate as saying that "the US has boasted about it (AIM-260) for over three years, and that when it emerges it will immediately face the PL-16".
I would translate this sentence as: [The US] hypes up the capability of the [AIM-260] for 3 years, but when it is revealed it is nothing more than the PL-16 (at first glance).
 
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Blitzo

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I would translate this sentence as: [The US] hypes up the capability of the [AIM-260] for 3 years, but when it is revealed it is nothing more than the PL-16.

It's nice to know we all have slightly differing interpretations of it lol.

In any case, it seems that for now, PL-16 is going to be the designation of choice for the next gen BVRAAM rather than the next gen SRAAM.
 

siegecrossbow

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It's nice to know we all have slightly differing interpretations of it lol.

In any case, it seems that for now, PL-16 is going to be the designation of choice for the next gen BVRAAM rather than the next gen SRAAM.

Yankee hinted in 2024 that J-20 has been carrying new medium range missiles for a while but since the bays are closed no one was any wiser.
 

Alfa_Particle

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Can you please elaborate a bit, for us (at least for me). Thanks
The comments I heard from various sources can be consolidated as:
- The 260A would be VERY fortunate to catch up with the PL-16 in terms of service timeline.
- The 260A would be considered EXTREMELY impressive if it can match the performance of the PL-16.
- Not exactly a "telephone pole."
 
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