Chinese air to air missiles

Maggern

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I'm sure some Israeli technology has leaked into China over the years. The Israelis in many cases sit on technology considered world-class and are very willing to export this stuff to China, however most of the cutting-edge deals don't go through because of US pressure. Thus, if China is fielding modern weapons, you can in most cases count on most of it being Chinese, not Israeli.
 

Miragedriver

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Sounds like the same kind of baseless drivel we have been seeing for years from western sources.

Thank you for the feedback. What respectable sources would you (or other members) recommend for obtaining more reliable information and to cut down on the verbal diarrhea?
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
I'm sure some Israeli technology has leaked into China over the years. The Israelis in many cases sit on technology considered world-class and are very willing to export this stuff to China, however most of the cutting-edge deals don't go through because of US pressure. Thus, if China is fielding modern weapons, you can in most cases count on most of it being Chinese, not Israeli.

I can also see the Israelis cautious of giving away their ‘best stuff’. Especially with Chinas close relationship with some Middle East countries.
I have noticed that the technology gap has been closing. I imagine that China does incorporate the best features of some systems and infuse it with domestic technology. I assume that would make more sense.
As Plawolf correct mentioned, that there is a lot of baseless drivel out there, and it’s difficult to read through all the BS, unless you know a good source.
Thank you
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Thank you for the feedback. What respectable sources would you (or other members) recommend for obtaining more reliable information and to cut down on the verbal diarrhea?

Chinese BBS, but it takes a lot of skill to sift out the gems, and there are far more drivel there.

Any western sourced info you can almost discount immediately as their record on accurate reporting of Chinese military developments is abysmal.
 

sydneylaide

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The Chinese AVIC missile division has successfully completed an all-round ground lauch trial of a next generation long range air-to-air missle in March 2010, disclosed in a report on 24th April 2010 in the official AVIC on-line news. The report is about the development of new acceleration gauges. It also reveals that such new gaues are used in new heat-seeking IR dog-fight AA missle and new generation jetfighter, and to upgrade the current generation missles.

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他在四代机和大型运输机用的强环境适应加速度计的研制过程中,攻克了振动误差对加速度计影响这一技术难关,同时给出了对其它加速度计具有借鉴意义的振动误差分析、评价和消除方法。设计出了满足四代机和大型运输机所用的加速度计,保证了四代机和大型运输机总体设计的顺利进行。
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Gallaghan36

Banned Idiot
Great. I hope that next-generation PLAAF BVRAAMs will have range more than 150kms and speed of Mach 4 and above. That way, enemy aircraft entering within 100km away from PLAAF modern jets would be shot down quickly by the fast and undodgeable AAM.
 

Deino

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Just found a review of the new J-10B kit from Trumpeter ... and to my huge surprise the kit already includes the new missile (actually also two ... a MRAAM + the rumoured PL-10 Darter-A-look-alike)!!!

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What do You think ? A semi-official release ... a What-if ... ? Esp. in mind of the other AMRAAM-type missile, whichseems to be the new "rumoured" PL-21 !

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Blitzo

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Both missiles do seem to bear a resemblance to the pictures of the rumoured PL-10 and PL-21 we've come across...
The tell-tale "canards" on the MRAAM at least, looks identical to the single internet pic of the PL-21.


But I think it's more probable that they got their designs by internet rumours and photos just like we have, giving the J-10B newer missiles to make it look better. I'm not sure what the chances of the PLAAF giving models of their underdevelopment AAMs are, maybe they're not as high a priority as the J-XX -- but hey, maybe they are trying to be more open? : /

Does anyone know if model makers usually go to official sources to get dimensions and drawings of the real thing?
 
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