cn_habs
Junior Member
Please read his post again.
Everything seems to indicate that AESA should be present in the J-20.
Chinese AESA development
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Please read his post again.
Everything seems to indicate that AESA should be present in the J-20.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
The notion that China is backward in avionic and radar technology, is probably outdated by 20 years. China has succesfully put into serial production 3 different type of AESA. 2 large Radar designing Institute that has produced KLJ series radar. booming electronic industry. We get glimpse of advanced in the electronic from trade show like CIDEX
2) Chinese Defence Products Today: State-of-the Art
Chinese defence products were once thought of as being moderately capable copies of previous-generation hardware that contained attributes of Russian, European and Israeli designs. Some of those bloodlines can still be seen in their designs, but the products now being seen at an expo like CIDEX show that Chinese firms have capabilities that approach first world industrial, state-of-the-art levels of sophistication.
In the 1990s, when the Russian defence was in danger of drying up and closing its doors due to an almost complete collapse in any funding from their own government, it was China that saved the day. China bought billions in military hardware from Russia, but it also sent its engineers, designers and technicians to study inside of Russian industry to learn how the weapons it was purchasing had been developed in the first place.
This transfer of technological know-how, plus some enormous investments by the Chinese military into its state-owned industries (what more than one Russian has referred to as “uncontrolled and rampant modernisation”) has produced a defence electronics industry that far outstrips the size and capacity of that which existed in Russia when Chinese industry first began their cooperation with Moscow in the early 1990s.
[B]Today the former students (the Chinese) have become the masters. Chinese industry now has the ability to produce components that the Russian electronics industry (after almost two decades of no investment by their government) is no longer capable of either designing or manufacturing. The initial failure rates on the production of transmit/receive (T/R) modules for the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars being designed for the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA 5th-generation fighter, for example, were so high that it would have bankrupted any western firm involved in a similar programme.
Not surprisingly, this year’s CIDEX show saw groups of Russian specialists going through the halls and looking for components that they could source out of China to be utilised in Russian-designed weapon systems. Russian specialists will point out that they are now at a huge disadvantage to the Chinese in two very significant respects.
One is that the commitment by the central government in resources to the defence electronics sector is both sustained and serious. “They can take a field where there is nothing but flat land and wild grass,” said one Russian company representative, “and the next thing you know there is a full-blown factory or design centre there turning out a world-class product.”
andyhugfan
Banned Idiot
There was a significant breaktrough some couple years ago with the transmit modules. Something like a huge rise in the transmit power was available. It was so much (x20 originally) that they had to adapt the whole cooling system of the radar.
I've read it somewhere a week ago, can't remember where, maybe ausairpower.
And with china, There's no doubt the j-10B, j-20 and the J-15 will house an AESA radar.
I've read it somewhere a week ago, can't remember where, maybe ausairpower.
And with china, There's no doubt the j-10B, j-20 and the J-15 will house an AESA radar.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
That only depends if the U.S. stood still and I really cant see that happening, as they are already saving a few billion on a monthly basis after pulling out of Iraq.
hanqiang1011
New Member
The J-10 series will not lose its importance even for the next 20 years in fact. The J5s were being retired after being the backbone for so many odd years. The J-10 series will slowly be equiped by all air squadons of PLAAF and PLANAF. It will be the backbone of the PLA air forces in years to come together. With the introduction of J-20, the PLA will not phased out the J-10 in favour of J-20 due to J-20's newly induction and high cost per unit. A 120 to 130 units of J-20s supported by this AESA radar together with 300+ J-10 will make the PLA muscle felt in Asia.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
There have been many aircraft in PLAAF that have operational AESA radars.
Here is the list:
- J-10B: clearly indicates Chinese AESA radar, possibly the Type 1475
- J-11B: there are plans to incorporate AESA into all J-11B models
- J-15*: analysts pointed out that the nose of the J-15 is intended to use AESA radar
- J-16*: plans to use AESA. It is basically a "Silent Flanker"
- J-20*: plans to use Type 1475 radar
- JH-7B*: plans to use AESA radar. It is a stealth version of JH-7A
- KJ-2000: has Chinese L-band AESA radar
- Y-8 AWACS / electronic aircraft: probably use L-band AESA radar
Note: the aircraft that has a (*) have not entered service yet
Here is the list:
- J-10B: clearly indicates Chinese AESA radar, possibly the Type 1475
- J-11B: there are plans to incorporate AESA into all J-11B models
- J-15*: analysts pointed out that the nose of the J-15 is intended to use AESA radar
- J-16*: plans to use AESA. It is basically a "Silent Flanker"
- J-20*: plans to use Type 1475 radar
- JH-7B*: plans to use AESA radar. It is a stealth version of JH-7A
- KJ-2000: has Chinese L-band AESA radar
- Y-8 AWACS / electronic aircraft: probably use L-band AESA radar
Note: the aircraft that has a (*) have not entered service yet
well, I'm quite confident about J-10B using AESA radar due to the shape of its nose. Let's wait to see J-11B using AESA radar before listing it. Same with J-15. As for J-16 and JH-7B, they are just speculated program.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
There are many Chinese reports that state the existence of the JH-7B and J-16 program. Huitong reports them too. There's also another SAC stealth fighter-bomber program (Huitong calls it the J-18). The J-16 and the SAC fighter-bomber will fly in mid-2011. JH-7B flew last year. All of these planes will use AESA (most likely the Type 1475).
There are also a few reports of J-11B and J-15 planning to use AESA (I ain't making this up on my own). If that happens, that will be a great improvement of the J-11B.