China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

maya

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But now - come on - give us just a glimpse of that bird .... NOW !!! :p

Deino

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related to the Y-20? the rollout ceremony?

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in the background is Y-20 iron-bird testbed,like below image:
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patient is a virtue:p

Yes I know ... but I have to admit I#m not very good at it. :eek:

in the background is Y-20 iron-bird testbed,like below image:

Hmmm ... so does that mean only the iron-bird has been completed and hnded over to begin testing .. or already the prototype ?
 

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Yes I know ... but I have to admit I#m not very good at it. :eek:



Hmmm ... so does that mean only the iron-bird has been completed and hnded over to begin testing .. or already the prototype ?

Probably it has to do with the "iron bird". The rollout ceremony was carried out with the iron bird in the background. Hopefully, there's another flight testing prototype built in parallel with it.
 

i.e.

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Probably it has to do with the "iron bird". The rollout ceremony was carried out with the iron bird in the background. Hopefully, there's another flight testing prototype built in parallel with it.

I have to correct you guys here.

Iron birds refers to flight control and hydraulic system test bench.
all the systems (hydraulic pumps, control electronics , actuators, backup systems, flight control computer etc etc) are built to design specification and mounted on a steel rig. the giant steel rig and the location of these systems are to scale of the actual aircraft, and the control surface hinge moments (air loads on surfaces that actuators has to work against) are computed via test computers and fed into a systems of counter actuators that simulates the actual in flight hinge moments so that the a/c actuators has something to work against.


as such the steel rig that whole flight control system is mounted on is not anywhere near the flight structure.

so it wouldn't be correct say that "another flight test prototype".

in flight test programs, even the structural test articles are numbered, for example such as T1 S2, S3 T4. meaning flight test article 1; structural test article 2; structural test article 3, flight test article 4. so on and so forth.
an Iron bird would not count in that series.

If the Y-20 rollout is indeed a structural article hand over. then,
either
1) that picture is not the Rollout even but an ironbird milestone event. an old picture.
or
2) the structure that handed over is a structural test article not meant for flight but is a full structure setup and the picture is a shot of structual test step up not ironbird. a structural test stand would equally have such beefy structure.

typically when people are building complete structures, IB would be in operations anyways as the the flight controls definition especially the all crucial rear main wing spar definition, where all the tightest fitting of control actuation systems occurs, already be nailed down.
 

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I have to correct you guys here.

Iron birds refers to flight control and hydraulic system test bench.
all the systems (hydraulic pumps, control electronics , actuators, backup systems, flight control computer etc etc) are built to design specification and mounted on a steel rig. the giant steel rig and the location of these systems are to scale of the actual aircraft, and the control surface hinge moments (air loads on surfaces that actuators has to work against) are computed via test computers and fed into a systems of counter actuators that simulates the actual in flight hinge moments so that the a/c actuators has something to work against.


as such the steel rig that whole flight control system is mounted on is not anywhere near the flight structure.

so it wouldn't be correct say that "another flight test prototype".

in flight test programs, even the structural test articles are numbered, for example such as T1 S2, S3 T4. meaning flight test article 1; structural test article 2; structural test article 3, flight test article 4. so on and so forth.
an Iron bird would not count in that series.

If the Y-20 rollout is indeed a structural article hand over. then,
either
1) that picture is not the Rollout even but an ironbird milestone event. an old picture. or
2) the structure that handed over is a structural test article not meant for flight but is a full structure setup and the picture is a shot of structual test step up not ironbird. a structural test stand would equally have such beefy structure.

typically when people are building complete structures, IB would be in operations anyways as the the flight controls definition especially the all crucial rear main wing spar definition, where all the tightest fitting of control actuation systems occurs, already be nailed down.

I used the wrong wordings. My bad. Obviously the iron bird isn't even a prototype lookalike. I should have said "a flying prototype build in parallel with". Most probably a flight testing prototype would only be builded after at least some testing of the iron bird.
 

i.e.

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I used the wrong wordings. My bad. Obviously the iron bird isn't even a prototype lookalike. I should have said "a flying prototype build in parallel with". Most probably a flight testing prototype would only be builded after at least some testing of the iron bird.

My guess is that the first airframe is a structural test article.

they have never done something this big before so that would be the first thing to do. plus the chief designer is a structures guy.
 

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I completely agree with You, but if this airframe is really the "only" the structuaral airframe, and even if a second one - the first flying prototype is or even was under construction in parrallel - then I think it's more than unlikely to get that bird into the air by years-end.

Deino :(
 

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From huitong, another Y-9 pic

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Also, I realized there is an FLIR ball under the nose -- a good habit, imo. Add FLIR to all the things! :D
You can see it on previous Y-9 pics too.

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