China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

NiuBiDaRen

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From 3:05 - is this a video showing Y20 refueling a J20? The refueling probe on J20 is behind the pilot and not to the side?
 

11226p

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From 3:05 - is this a video showing Y20 refueling a J20? The refueling probe on J20 is behind the pilot and not to the side?
Not sure if the video is legit. But the refueling probe is placed similarily to the F-22s for stealth reasons as an extended refueling probe would compromise stealth.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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Not sure if the video is legit. But the refueling probe is placed similarily to the F-22s for stealth reasons as an extended refueling probe would compromise stealth.
It looks really difficult for the pilot. Hopefully completely automated aerial refuelling using artificial intelligence will come soon one day.
 

gelgoog

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Again, if this image were real, we are talking about game-changing achievement. WS-20 is not just about Y-20. Two WS-20 engines allow for a militaried C919 to lift off. Four WS-20 make possible an Airbus A340 type airliner (or the 1980s Shanghai Y-10, but with way more composite materials and superb electronics). A four-engined airliner type platform (like a rebuilt Y-10 with four WS-20 and wider wingspan) allow for AWACS, aerial refueling aircraft, airborne command center, and other special mission aircrafts. It will also allow China to build its first equivalent to Air Force One. Finally, how about a H-20B stealth intercontinental bomber (combat radius = 12,000 km, or longest ever for bombers, with payload greater than those of Tu-160)? All these wild Chinese aviation dreams would be within reach because of WS-20. Although the domestic engine-powered C919 and four-WS-20 platform would still be inferior in quality to Boeing and Airbus products, at least China would achieve high-tech autonomy in designing and assembling large jet airliner platforms. In this sense, the success of WS-20 would be a game changer. That counts for another one of the MIC 2025 Industrial Policy being achieved, but a way more significant one.

The H-20 would not use such a high bypass turbofan. The fan blades are typically radar reflective. Especially metallic ones.
It is more likely, I think, it will use the WS-10 engine or maybe even the WS-15 but four of them.
China does not need an A340 type aircraft. It is developing a different large engine for the CRAIC 929 which has similar payload.

I agree it could be used in a militarized version of the C919 plane (like for ECM or AWACS).
I also agree it is an insurance policy in case the CFM LEAP isn't sold to China and the other engine project gets delayed.
But Deino disagrees with me on that and he's the expert. ;)
 

tupolevtu144

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Not sure if the video is legit. But the refueling probe is placed similarily to the F-22s for stealth reasons as an extended refueling probe would compromise stealth.
What do you mean by "if this video is legit"?? The video is painfully obvious just a CGI render, plus don't we know that the J20's refueling probe if on the right side already??
 

Hendrik_2000

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Well, AFAIK, no one in this forum has confirmed that this photo is real. Lets wait for more evidence.

Go to previous page everybody confirm it including Deino here Bltizo comment
Seems more legit to me, it was posted on weibo on Nov 21st, but only noticed somehow now.

The aircraft looks more consistent with the rumours; i.e.: it was in primer particularly.
Chase plane and all as well.
 

Deino

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Well, AFAIK, no one in this forum has confirmed that this photo is real. Lets wait for more evidence.


Honestly I don't know what's your exact intention with this ongoing discussion. Yes, we still have no very clear images and no-one so far confirmed this as real, but several senior members here and at other forums and most of all poster at various Chinese accounts conclude that this image - regardless the let-down from a few days ago - is the real one.

It looks like what was reported from spotters which have allegedly seen it during its maiden flight and most of all since the one who took that image is not famous as a spotter, it si reasonable to accept he took that image and did not notice what gem he had seen.

So in conclusion: Yes, final proof is not yet given but IMO we have a very high probability that it is legit.
 
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