Sukhoi chief has also lie things about China J-11B before. I do not trust those western words until admit by Chinese official source.
China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft
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Sukhoi chief has also lie things about China J-11B before. I do not trust those western words until admit by Chinese official source.
PLEASE a bit larger and from the front !!!
Desperate effort , deino. An-70 has higher cock pit forehead and nose which resemble a eagle beak. I see no aero dynamic similar between Y-20 and an-70.
Thanks for posting this link. More or less convince my point of Y-20 is essentially a Chinese effort. From the news, it say antonov try to use their design of an-70 adapt with 4 turbofan in 2006 for y-20 which I believe is rejected by AVIC. AVIC decide to go their own domestic design in 2007 which is the current Y-20 we are seeng now. Case closed, zero input from antonov. I say again, picture do not lie. The design of an-70 and Y-20 is so vastly different.
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You will be surprised that L-15 patented by Yakovlev, so 'consultation' is rather underestimate.
We have many cases of Russian media distorting facts and smearing campaign. Like the Su-33 deal, carrier arrestor hook, Tu-22 bomber and Su-35. We have even clown report of FC-1 is a copy of Mig-29. No wonder , it's hard to take serious note of those report.
And finally, are you going to deny Y-20 bear more resemble to C-17 compare to An-70? Who is going to believe Anotonov is the consultant to Y-20? This is hard fact, facts don't lie.
There is no denying the major contribution of yakovlev for Hongdu L-15. But L-15 is essentially a AVIC product. Consultation fee accepted. Deal sign. L15 is a product fully owned by AVIC. case closed.
Pinkov is Russian PR agent.
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Lion, I think you got worked-up. Calm down, please.
Now, we don't resist or deny anything. We just make assumption logically. The points are:
- Y-20 is completely owned by China (so is L-15)
- No matter who China consult or purchase component from foreign country, China is still the main designer of the project. The famous Microsoft Windows has a lot of input outside Microsoft too.
- If you start something from scratch, it would be time consuming and costly. There's nothing wrong to get consulting or buy ready made component from outside. Pay them some money and get their knowledge. They spent 10 years to get it done, you just pay 10 millions to make it yours. Believe me my brother, it is worth doing so.
- We believe there are foreign consulting and component on Y-20; however, we can't be sure where those consulting and components come from
I am calm. The problem is your perception is based on stereotyping and not hard facts. First, the appearance, aerodynamic and structure is far off from your speculation that antonov is providing consulting for Y-20. This already debunk any contribution of antonov.
Second,Deino claim antonov -70 will be a success if adequate funding is provided. So that means antonov is very confident of its design. If china ask for consultation. Logic sense will be offering their an-70 as a base design, just like case of L-15 which is advise by yakovlev. I do not see the logic of antonov offering a C-17 design for Y-20 which is out of their design range. Does this means an-70 is a lousy design that antonov needs to offer a radical design to suit china? I do not see the logic..
The only conclusion is Y-20 is a own domestic effort. Because speculating Boeing offering help is as good as zero.
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