China's strategy in Korean peninsula

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LesAdieux

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sanblvd said:
I'm pretty sure this issue has been pointed out many times in the past, so here is a quick summary.

1. Yes PLA can destroy THAAD easily, but that would mean actually physically attacking South Korea, which is something you don't want to do for the obvious reason.

2. THAAD's radar reach far out to Inner Mongolia, Manchuria and all the way to Russia and beyond, it can keep track and detect all of Chinese missile test launches and identify the real warhead from decoy, and this greatly decrease China's 2nd strike ability. And it can monitor Chinese airspace live time, this takes away Chinese strategic initiative in the event of war, as well as its ability to do 2nd strike.

3. Also send a political message to SK that you can't enjoys all the benefits from doing business with China while at same time violating Chinese interest.
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so much "blowjobs" about THAAD from China before the deployment: if SK allows the deployment to go ahead, China will do this and this and this...and after the deployment, China has been looking for excuses to accept it quietly as usaul.

you have grossly over estimated China's capacity and will.
 
PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
LesAdieux said:
so much "blowjobs" about THAAD from China before the deployment: if SK allows the deployment to go ahead, China will do this and this and this...and after the deployment, China has been looking for excuses to accept it quietly as usaul.

you have grossly over estimated China's capacity and will.
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Huh? What are you smoking?
China said there will be consequences, and there were and is huge backlash against SK companies. Lotte sales in China dropped by 95%. Tourism dropped by >50%. All those cosmetics and entertainment companies that make 1/3 to 1/2 of their profits in China just been soft banned. The damage to SK economy is literally in the billions. China never said they going to bomb SK, and economic warfare already proved a point.

For all we know, China can sell some cruise missiles to NK just to take out those THAADs.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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LesAdieux said:
so much "blowjobs" about THAAD from China before the deployment: if SK allows the deployment to go ahead, China will do this and this and this...and after the deployment, China has been looking for excuses to accept it quietly as usaul.

you have grossly over estimated China's capacity and will.
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Where are those excuses you speak of? Please cite an article where China gives an excuse for THAAD being acceptable now.

He made no claims about China's capacity other than stating the exact fact of what they did, which was revoke several economic favors previously granted to South Korea resulting in South Korea's loss of over 7 billion dollars last we checked about 2 months back (don't know how high it has gotten now). Just Hyundai alone has been screaming bloody murder for what it has done to their car sales. This is China's maritime capacity over South Korea, not overstated or understated but taken from figures and facts.
 
PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
manqiangrexue said:
Where are those excuses you speak of? Please cite an article where China gives an excuse for THAAD being acceptable now.

He made no claims about China's capacity other than stating the exact fact of what they did, which was revoke several economic favors previously granted to South Korea resulting in South Korea's loss of over 7 billion dollars last we checked about 2 months back (don't know how high it has gotten now). Just Hyundai alone has been screaming bloody murder for what it has done to their car sales. This is China's maritime capacity over South Korea, not overstated or understated but taken from figures and facts.
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China fights with economics, after all China learned from US that trade is also a weapon.
 
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LesAdieux

Junior Member
manqiangrexue said:
Where are those excuses you speak of? Please cite an article where China gives an excuse for THAAD being acceptable now.

He made no claims about China's capacity other than stating the exact fact of what they did, which was revoke several economic favors previously granted to South Korea resulting in South Korea's loss of over 7 billion dollars last we checked about 2 months back (don't know how high it has gotten now). Just Hyundai alone has been screaming bloody murder for what it has done to their car sales. This is China's maritime capacity over South Korea, not overstated or understated but taken from figures and facts.
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THAAD is a military deployment, so far there's no military response of any kind from China.

SK has been resisting the deployment all along, but the pressure is too much, they are forced to accept it. why wouldn't China after the real perpetrator?
 
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sanblvd

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Thanks for the excellent summary. One minor question though: I had believed decoys were deployed during MIRV separation: if that is the case, wouldn't decoys be detached outside of THAAD range?
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I'm not sure I follow your question, answer is no it won't be, if China shoots test missile from East to West it still have to come down somewhere and it still can be tracked at terminal stages. Just because a ICBM has a range of 12,000km it don't actually need to fly that far, all you have to do is to make the missile fly a lot higher than normal and come down, which was just like what North Korea did.

US can track the main missile, when is the separation, when the is MIRV separation, when does it deploy decoy etc, it can all be very apparent.

I know that US always want to gain an upper hand, but in the end it would be very dangerous for US, because if China cannot be sure it can do 2nd strike effectively after suffer US's first strike, the next logical thing for China to do is to produce ICBM and nukes like US and Russia by the tens of thoudands to make sure they have credible deterrence. And this would paradoxically make US/world even less safe, because more nukes is not the answer, advanced nations in the world should take initiative and use the resources into other efforts like slow down climate change etc...
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
LesAdieux said:
THAAD is a military deployment, so far there's no military response of any kind from China.

SK has been resisting the deployment all along, but the pressure is too much, they are forced to accept it. why wouldn't China after the real perpetrator?
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LOL What??! Of course there's no military response; sane people don't start war even if someone installed a radar that they don't like. What would be an appropriate military response in your mind? Blow it up?

What's America's military response to North Korea building ICBMs to blow up Guam? Curse at them about "fire and fury" LOL
 
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sanblvd

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manqiangrexue said:
LOL What??! Of course there's no military response; sane people don't start war even if someone installed a radar that they don't like. What would be an appropriate military response in your mind? Blow it up? What's America's military response to North Korea building ICBMs to blow up Guam? Curse at them about "fire and fury" LOL
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Yes, China is not India, just because another nation that does something on their own territory you don't like, it does not give you the right to invade lol
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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now I read
US Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman arrives in Beijing after Seoul visit
2017-08-15 12:36 GMT+8
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The US principal military advisor to the president, General Joseph Dunford, has arrived in Beijing amid escalating tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff arrived after concluding his visit to South Korea on Monday. He is also expected to visit Japan over the next few days.

Concerns that the DPRK is close to achieving its goal of putting the mainland United States within range of a nuclear weapon has underpinned a spike in tensions in recent months. President Trump took to Twitter over the weekend to warn DPRK leader Kim Jong Un that US military solutions are now fully in place.

That message is also being reiterated by General Dunford, who is seeking to reaffirm the strong US alliance with South Korea.

"I'm on the way to China… I would not think of coming to the region without coming to see our close friends and allies here in the Republic of Korea."

In response to the DPRK’s plan to launch missiles at the US territory of Guam, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said there should be no more war on the Korean peninsula and urged to resolve the nuclear situation in peace.

Many in the international community are calling for calm, despite Trump speaking of military options. Chinese President Xi Jinping called for a peaceful resolution in a telephone call with Trump, urging all sides to avoid words or actions that could raise tensions.

The White House said in a statement that the relationship between the two presidents of China and the US is "an extremely close one", and will hopefully lead to a peaceful resolution of the Peninsula problem.

The trip to Beijing is Dunford's first visit to China as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and he will be hosted by his Chinese counterpart, General Fang Fenghui, chief of the Joint Staff Department.

"The visit underscores US interest in further developing military-to-military relationships between the United States and China," the chairman's office said in a statement.
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