China's strategy in Korean peninsula

taxiya

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Anyone noticed the recent UNSC ministerial meeting when Chinese FM Wang Yi made the following statements in his speech? The italic texts are my comments.
  1. The current crisis is not Chinese creation: It is creation of US and NK, China is not going to take the blame for the mess from either side.
  2. China has been promoting the Parallel Two Way Approach (双轨并行) "Denuclearization and Peace Treaty (diplomatic acceptance)". China does not agree with just one (Denuclearization alone) part of the two.
  3. Enforcing the UN resolution is not just about enforcing sanctions on NK, BUT also includes hault and stop US/SK's provocative military drills and restart of diplomatic negotiations. China is politely but clearly blaming US and SK as much as NK. To put it blantly, China is saying "US and SK are equally faulty as NK".
  4. China firmly (believe or not) enforce UN sanctions on the (NK) nuclear and rocket activities. Of course, China does not want to give NK the wrong hope.
I have mentioned this position of China twice in this thread. I think it is the most clear statement (therefor probably the last words) from PRC's official position. If anyone still try to spin or twist or suggest China to knock NK on behalf of US and SK, he/she would be delusional from a US/SK perspective or being a Chinese fooled by US/SK propaganda no matter how good his/her Chinese language skill is.

P.S. CJDBY restored 2 or 3 days ago. The one sub-forum that is missing is "军事茶馆", a general/strategic discussion sub-forum where most of the propagandas (mentioned above) were active. I knew somebody just over-bet their lucks thinking they can mess around with impunity.
 

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"North Korea disrespected the wishes of China & its highly respected President when it launched, though unsuccessfully, a missile today. Bad!"

I feel like donald might actually have the hots for xi. but knowing how temepramental he is he might suddenly become uber fond of another world leader after xi in a few months. all a bit bizarre
 

Orthan

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The North Korean army had proven themselves to be fanatical and fearless in the face of a superior adversary.

Actually i dont think they have. What is really known about what the officers and soldiers think of a war with the US/SK? they must know that they cant win and that they will be cannon fodder for the US/SK military. they must know that if they bombard seoul they will suffer the con

Anyone noticed the recent UNSC ministerial meeting when Chinese FM Wang Yi made the following statements in his speech?

The problem with china policy towards NK is that IF trump decides that playing the "china card" (using china to get NK to denuclarize) is heading nowhere. If china starts to send the idea that it cant/shouldnt restraint NK about this, it could led to trump deciding to punish NK and even china (remember that now china has a lot of enemies in the US government).
 

dingyibvs

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Anyone noticed the recent UNSC ministerial meeting when Chinese FM Wang Yi made the following statements in his speech? The italic texts are my comments.
  1. The current crisis is not Chinese creation: It is creation of US and NK, China is not going to take the blame for the mess from either side.
  2. China has been promoting the Parallel Two Way Approach (双轨并行) "Denuclearization and Peace Treaty (diplomatic acceptance)". China does not agree with just one (Denuclearization alone) part of the two.
  3. Enforcing the UN resolution is not just about enforcing sanctions on NK, BUT also includes hault and stop US/SK's provocative military drills and restart of diplomatic negotiations. China is politely but clearly blaming US and SK as much as NK. To put it blantly, China is saying "US and SK are equally faulty as NK".
  4. China firmly (believe or not) enforce UN sanctions on the (NK) nuclear and rocket activities. Of course, China does not want to give NK the wrong hope.
I have mentioned this position of China twice in this thread. I think it is the most clear statement (therefor probably the last words) from PRC's official position. If anyone still try to spin or twist or suggest China to knock NK on behalf of US and SK, he/she would be delusional from a US/SK perspective or being a Chinese fooled by US/SK propaganda no matter how good his/her Chinese language skill is.

P.S. CJDBY restored 2 or 3 days ago. The one sub-forum that is missing is "军事茶馆", a general/strategic discussion sub-forum where most of the propagandas (mentioned above) were active. I knew somebody just over-bet their lucks thinking they can mess around with impunity.

As mentioned in my very first post, if war is to break out over the peninsula, the ideal situation is for China to pin the blame on the US and conquer NK on behalf of China's interests. All of those statements advance this perspective.

Some one you try really hard to put words in other people's mouth. I mean, China knock NK on behalf of US/SK? Where did you even get that stuff. Everyone who supports China taking down NK has advocated it as a way to advance Chinese interests.
 

KIENCHIN

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Actually i dont think they have. What is really known about what the officers and soldiers think of a war with the US/SK? they must know that they cant win and that they will be cannon fodder for the US/SK military. they must know that if they bombard seoul they will suffer the con



The problem with china policy towards NK is that IF trump decides that playing the "china card" (using china to get NK to denuclarize) is heading nowhere. If china starts to send the idea that it cant/shouldnt restraint NK about this, it could led to trump deciding to punish NK and even china (remember that now china has a lot of enemies in the US government).
Yes you are absolutely right North Korea can never win, but that is not what I am referring too. What I am pointing out the NK army had fought the US to s standtill and in the age of mass media when the body bags start pulling up and the south in ruins does anyone want that. Someone who has nothing to loose would not feel as much pain as someone who has a lot to look forward. The initial artillery barrage at the onset of war would send the Korean stock market into a tail spin which it could not recover.
 

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Anyone noticed the recent UNSC ministerial meeting when Chinese FM Wang Yi made the following statements in his speech? The italic texts are my comments.
  1. The current crisis is not Chinese creation: It is creation of US and NK, China is not going to take the blame for the mess from either side.
  2. China has been promoting the Parallel Two Way Approach (双轨并行) "Denuclearization and Peace Treaty (diplomatic acceptance)". China does not agree with just one (Denuclearization alone) part of the two.
  3. Enforcing the UN resolution is not just about enforcing sanctions on NK, BUT also includes hault and stop US/SK's provocative military drills and restart of diplomatic negotiations. China is politely but clearly blaming US and SK as much as NK. To put it blantly, China is saying "US and SK are equally faulty as NK".
  4. China firmly (believe or not) enforce UN sanctions on the (NK) nuclear and rocket activities. Of course, China does not want to give NK the wrong hope.
I have mentioned this position of China twice in this thread. I think it is the most clear statement (therefor probably the last words) from PRC's official position. If anyone still try to spin or twist or suggest China to knock NK on behalf of US and SK, he/she would be delusional from a US/SK perspective or being a Chinese fooled by US/SK propaganda no matter how good his/her Chinese language skill is.

P.S. CJDBY restored 2 or 3 days ago. The one sub-forum that is missing is "军事茶馆", a general/strategic discussion sub-forum where most of the propagandas (mentioned above) were active. I knew somebody just over-bet their lucks thinking they can mess around with impunity.

Its a sign of how effective the western propaganda machine is that it can get many rational Chinese to believe in something that is utterly moronic from a Chinese POV.

If you see through all the BS and just look at the core power dynamics, little has changed except to America's disadvantage from a military standpoint.

Not only could NK conventional weapons obliterate Seoul as they always could, and served as the primary NK strategic deterrence to American military advanturism, it has also added nuclear weapons to their arsenal.

The optimal time to strike from a US prospective as when NK first detonated a nuke.

Not only did the US enjoy a significantly better military edge compared to China, at that time, NK still lacked a deliverable nuclear weapon.

In the years since, the US military edge against China has been massively eroded, and now there is a good chance NK could drop nukes on SK and Japan in the ultimate retaliation to an attack.

The current US pressure stems from the fact that NK appears to be on the cusp of developing ICBMs capable of hitting US cities with a nuclear warhead.

But that pressing strategic need does not change the reality that the US has no good military options against NK. NK is geographically bless in that it has US allies and US troops themselves within striking range. Trump would have to be loony to expect a Syria like situation where he can order strikes and his victim would have no way to hit back.

As such, a limited strike serves no real purpose and will likely only trigger a NK retaliation strike that costs SK and the US more, so raises the stakes further.

In this instance, NK has limits escalation advantage in that it believes China will be forced to step in if certain red lines are crossed. So it is in their best interest to make the conflict as bloody as possible. Ideally sucking in US ground forces to push significantly past the 38th parallel and force China's hand.

Trump's current strategy rests entirely on trying to force China's hand in another way - that by creating so much tension and threat, that he hopes China would decide that regime change in NK was the lessor of two evils, and so remove Fatty Kim for him.

He could not care less what that would cost China in lives, treasure or diplomatic damage. Hell, he, and most of the talking heads on western mainstream news, would probably secretly just love it if China got duped into attacking NK for him and NK dropped nukes all over northern China.

Fortunately, China's leaders and diplomats appear to see right through both Fatty K and Trumps games, and instead have decided to subltly call both their bluffs.

The signals that China has been sending out to the world through both official diplomatic channels and unofficial news OPEDs is to essentially tell the US to have a go if they think they are hard enough. Just expect NK to hit you right back like the desperate psychopath with nothing to loose it is.

With the giant caveat that the US must not take that as a blank cheque for annexation of NK or regime change.

China is pressuring NK by suggesting it may just stand back and break out the popcorn if the US launches attacks against them if they brought it on their own head.

OTOH, China has set its own red line such that the US and SK would have little scope to achieve any meaningful military victories in an open shooting way with NK without crossing them.

The goal is to try and get both the US and NK to see that there are enormous costs and far bigger risks associated with any kind of military misadventure, and so get them both to step back from the brink.
 

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Anyone noticed the recent UNSC ministerial meeting when Chinese FM Wang Yi made the following statements... ..my comments.
  1. The current crisis is not Chinese creation: It is creation of US and NK, China is not going to take the blame for the mess from either side.
  2. China has been promoting the Parallel Two Way Approach (双轨并行) "Denuclearization and Peace Treaty (diplomatic acceptance)". China does not agree with just one (Denuclearization alone) part of the two.
  3. Enforcing the UN resolution is not just about enforcing sanctions on NK, BUT also includes hault and stop US/SK's provocative military drills and restart of diplomatic negotiations. China is politely but clearly blaming US and SK as much as NK. To put it blantly, China is saying "US and SK are equally faulty as NK".
  4. China firmly (believe or not) enforce UN sanctions on the (NK) nuclear and rocket activities. Of course, China does not want to give NK the wrong hope.
I have mentioned this position of China twice in this thread. I think it is the most clear statement (therefor probably the last words) from PRC's official position. If anyone still try to spin or twist or suggest China to knock NK on behalf of US and SK, he/she would be delusional from a US/SK perspective or being a Chinese fooled by US/SK propaganda no matter how good his/her Chinese language skill is.

Quote of the week, I will say.
OTOH, like Chinese put danger and opportunity together, had anyone thought the biggest gain China can make out of the so-called crisis and these two crazy men? For example, further blown-out of Trump bluff? And going-south confidence of key allies, Japan & SK mainly, on USA, though perhaps inevitable due to the new power balance in Asia?
 

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I guess the US will finally start talking to North Korea DIRECTLY after all, but we have to wait and see. Trump have a tendency to tweet something different instead.;)

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    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in the George C. Marshall room at the State Department on Thursday.

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    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says the Trump administration is open to direct talks with North Korea as long as the agenda is right — that is, denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula.

    As he prepared to chair a U.N. Security Council meeting on the subject, Tillerson sat down with NPR's Steve Inskeep to explain his approach. The secretary says North Korea has to come to the table willing to talk about giving up its nuclear weapons.

    "You know if you listen to the North Korea, their reason for having nuclear weapons is they believe it is their only pathway to secure the ongoing existence of their regime," Tillerson explained. "We hope to convince them is that: you do not need these weapons to secure the existence of your regime. ... We do not seek a collapse of the regime. We do not seek an accelerated reunification of the peninsula. We seek a denuclearized Korean peninsula," he stressed, adding he believes that China shares this goal and is beginning to question whether North Korea is a "liability."

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taxiya

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The problem with china policy towards NK is that IF trump decides that playing the "china card" (using china to get NK to denuclarize) is heading nowhere. If china starts to send the idea that it cant/shouldnt restraint NK about this, it could led to trump deciding to punish NK and even china (remember that now china has a lot of enemies in the US government).

China is not sending the idea of not restraining NK's nuclear ambition. The 4th point I quoted Wang Yi's words is clear to that point.

As to "leading to Trump to punish NK", so long as US/SK troops stay south of 38 line, China may not bother.

As to "leading to Trump to punish even China", who cares? US has NEVER stopped "punishing" (to be more precisely) containing China till this day. What difference would it make? Bottom line is that if one get used to be punished, punishment stops working.
 
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taxiya

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Some one you try really hard to put words in other people's mouth. I mean, China knock NK on behalf of US/SK? Where did you even get that stuff. Everyone who supports China taking down NK has advocated it as a way to advance Chinese interests.
Are you saying that I was putting words in your mouth? If so, why do you think I was talking about you? If you did not say those words, no need for you to pick that up onto yourself.

As to "advocated it as a way to advance Chinese interests". If you read Wang Yi's words, "China did not create the trouble, US (and NK) did". So why should China clean the mess that US created? How could cleaning that mess (making NK people enemy of China) advance Chinese(instead of US/SK) interests? That does not make any sense to a Chinese.
 
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