China's strategy in Korean peninsula

Correct. But I don't see China as having any options. US-NK rapprochement is inevitable if North Korea doesn't collapse in the short-term, whether from an external shock or an internal failure.

North Korea just threatened China with terrible consequences in bilateral relations in the event of further sanctions. If Trump's goal is to get China and North Korea to turn on each other, they've succeeded, but it's not like it wasn't happening before. And claims that China is immune to North Korean missile or nuclear attack are bogus.

dingyibvs said:

Why do they have to choose? What's SK gonna do, kick the Americans out?

Like I said, NK becoming more independent is not a welcoming development for China, it needs to be nipped in the bud before the Americans came around to this fact. I find it funny that some here accuse others of being indoctrinated by the MSM to consider NK a threat to China, when the exact opposite is happening. China's persistent posturing since the 50s have convinced many of you, including most of the MSM, that NK is a bigger threat to the US. It's a job well done by the CCP, but the time has come to reap the rewards.

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NK was always an independent country and it never was a threat to US. It was always the other way round. US even had nuclear weapons in South Korea until 1991 and at that time the US president was commander in chief of the South Korean armed forces. NK was always afraid of US aggression. No other country goes in for regime change on that enormous scale. On my favourite radio station this week someone mentioned a book about 40 regime change operations executed by CIA.
The existing treaty between US and its satellite says that in case of war the US president again becomes commander in chief of the SK armed forces. Do you see a possibility of SK forces driving the US forces out? And certainly not in a time of political turmoil as now exists in that corrupt country.

think of unthinkable: "soft" reunification (sort of confederation).
about 80 million regional superpower with nukes in the north and strong economy in the south.
prospects of fast economic growth for 27 million strong underdeveloped region - such a nice piece of cake.
both part of the nation achieve win-win solution.
who will suffer and probably object - neighbors

delft said:

NK was always an independent country and it never was a threat to US. It was always the other way round. US even had nuclear weapons in South Korea until 1991 and at that time the US president was commander in chief of the South Korean armed forces. NK was always afraid of US aggression. No other country goes in for regime change on that enormous scale. On my favourite radio station this week someone mentioned a book about 40 regime change operations executed by CIA.
The existing treaty between US and its satellite says that in case of war the US president again becomes commander in chief of the SK armed forces. Do you see a possibility of SK forces driving the US forces out? And certainly not in a time of political turmoil as now exists in that corrupt country.

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Of course it wasn't a threat to the US, but it's been the consistent western MSM narrative that it is, and now most Americans believe it without question even as it's become a greater threat to China. This is an advantage that China should seek to exploit. I don't see any possibility of SK evicting the US forces under the current circumstances, but I can definitely see it happening under different circumstances as I had detailed before.

dingyibvs said:

Why do they have to choose? What's SK gonna do, kick the Americans out?

Like I said, NK becoming more independent is not a welcoming development for China, it needs to be nipped in the bud before the Americans came around to this fact. I find it funny that some here accuse others of being indoctrinated by the MSM to consider NK a threat to China, when the exact opposite is happening. China's persistent posturing since the 50s have convinced many of you, including most of the MSM, that NK is a bigger threat to the US. It's a job well done by the CCP, but the time has come to reap the rewards.

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seems that you find some contradictions. Well, it would ONLY be a contradiction IF the bold text is correct. But it is not. What others are convinced is that "US is the main threat to China on the peninsular, US was constantly threatening NK's existence". China never tried to convince anyone that NK is a threat to US or China (bigger or smaller) as you claimed to be. So, CCP did not do such job as you think.

dingyibvs said:

Why do they have to choose? What's SK gonna do, kick the Americans out?

Like I said, NK becoming more independent is not a welcoming development for China, it needs to be nipped in the bud before the Americans came around to this fact. I find it funny that some here accuse others of being indoctrinated by the MSM to consider NK a threat to China, when the exact opposite is happening. China's persistent posturing since the 50s have convinced many of you, including most of the MSM, that NK is a bigger threat to the US. It's a job well done by the CCP, but the time has come to reap the rewards.

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If it is really needed (the bud nipping), why not let US do the heavy fighting first and China to take on the fruit in the later stage? The fruit is the occupation, not the rebuilding cost (should be shared by NK and SK, or paid by labors).

Remember last time, China did NOT join the fight on day one, not on the day when US crossed 38 line, not until Kim's main forces were reduced to nothing, not until his own life was threatened (had to hide in the cave near Chinese boarder). That is to let US and SK to do the bud nipping job. The difference this time would be that there won't be a place for KJN in the new NK administration after China saved NK once again.

The critical difference between your thought and some others including myself is that, you want China to do the bud nipping on behalf of the Americans and S Koreans, while we want them to do it for us.

A clarification of my post #306 above

while we want them to do it for us.

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I myself do not want to do that "bud nipping", but if someone insist to do so then I want that someone to do it himself so I can take the fruit.

Opinion: NK nuclear (issue), how much should Washington expect from Beijing.

A very interesting opinion piece from Global/Huanqiu network. Pretty much the same that I was trying to say all the time. Here I quote their suggestions of China's line.

　　因此除了反对战争，中国还须对战争一旦爆发时我方的立场开展预设并向美朝通报。我们主张，如果朝鲜继续开展严重的核导活动，美国对其相关设施开展外科手术式打击，北京应予以外交抵制，但不必军事介入。华盛顿需要充分考虑朝鲜对首尔地区开展报复性打击的风险，相信那种风险对美韩是不可承受之重。
Therefor besides expressing objection of war, China must make her stand clear to both US and NK in the event of a war on the peninsular. We believe, if NK continue conducting severe nuclear and missile activities and leading US to conduct surgical attack on NK's nuclear related facilities, China should object diplomatically, but restrain from military intervention. Washington needs to fully consider the risk of NK's retaliation attack on regions around Seoul, (we) believe that kind of risk (cost) is unbearable to US and SK.

　　一旦美韩军队越过三八线，开展对朝鲜的地面侵略，直接颠覆朝鲜政权，中国就应立即开展必要的军事介入。我们决不能允许通过武力手段颠覆朝鲜政权和统一半岛的发生，这一点北京要对华盛顿和首尔说得明明白白。
However, once US and SK troops cross 38 parallel line, conducting ground invasion, directly overthrow NK government, China must conduct necessary military intervention. We will not tolerate regime change by military means and forcible reunification of the peninsular, Beijing must make this point crystal clear to both Washington and Seoul.

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If one believes that Global/Huanqiu is a mouth piece of People's Daily/CCP, I think one would have to believe what is expressed here is the bottom line of China. On this specific matter I believe it (is the bottom line) regardless.

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Opinion: NK nuclear (issue), how much should Washington expect from Beijing.

A very interesting opinion piece from Global/Huanqiu network. Pretty much the same that I was trying to say all the time. Here I quote their suggestions of China's line.



If one believes that Global/Huanqiu is a mouth piece of People's Daily/CCP, I think one would have to believe what is expressed here is the bottom line of China. On this specific matter I believe it (is the bottom line) regardless.

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I agree that in general is China's bottom line but with the following additional condition: if any US strike on NK nuclear facilities/forces result in nuclear contamination to China then China will consider it a nuclear attack by the US on China and will respond accordingly. I suspect Russia has a similar bottom line condition.

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I agree that in general is China's bottom line but with the following additional condition: if any US strike on NK nuclear facilities/forces result in nuclear contamination to China then China will consider it a nuclear attack by the US on China and will respond accordingly. I suspect Russia has a similar bottom line condition.

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According to that opinion piece, nuclear contamination to China by NK's act regardless US is also a point that will make China consider other actions (toward NK). So yes, it is equally aimed at both US and NK.