China's strategy in Afghanistan.

caudaceus

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Copy-paste from the Breaking news thread

Do Taliban have tendencies to spark terrorism beyond Afghanistan border or they are content to simply rule within Afghanistan? I have seen some hot takes that Taliban victories will mean conflict with Iran, Russia, China and other central Asia regions.

Seems people conflate alqaeda and Isis with Taliban.
 

Tse

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Copy-paste from the Breaking news thread

Do Taliban have tendencies to spark terrorism beyond Afghanistan border or they are content to simply rule within Afghanistan? I have seen some hot takes that Taliban victories will mean conflict with Iran, Russia, China and other central Asia regions.

Seems people conflate alqaeda and Isis with Taliban.
well this is just my personal opinion:

in a way there is a risk that the Taliban, or the IEA as we are now required to call them, have been lying when they said that theyve cut off ties with the international terrorist groups. There is always a risk of that kind of thing; perhaps some faction would continue to support them even if the top leadership will not. But there are a number of reasons why I find that unlikely.

The Taliban leader had earlier wrote a widely-published letter to the "Caliph" of the IS asking for non-interference with Afghanistan's affairs, and the Taliban have been known to clash with IS followers even as recently as last week. These moves don't really make sense if they were actually in cahoots. As for Al Qaeda, it has been a very long time since there were reported links between the two. bin Laden insisted that he did not let the Afghans know anything about 911, and there is at least some reports of the Taliban growing cold towards the AQ since then.

The other thing is the Taliban's visit to Wang Yi. It makes little sense from the Taliban's perspective to attempt to deceive China about their ties with ETIM while asking for investments. If China was an interventionist power that the Taliban feared would intervene, maybe the Taliban might try to lie, but they know that China hasn't intervened anywhere before, and obviously would not intervene to help the US/India-backed regime while returning to the same quagmire as the Soviets and US. After all the Taliban leadership are overwhelmingly ex-Mujahideen in the Soviet war, they surely remember the good old days. So if that's not the reason it makes little sense to make that trip to Tianjin unless they really wanted investments, investments that will disappear if ETIM shows up in Afghanistan

We don't know if the Western "intelligence" and "experts" are credible about Iran cooperating with Taliban, but the Taliban media even openly praised the Iranian General Qasem Soleimani and condemned his killing by the US, and condemned IS for killing Shias, which shows that their policy on Shias has shifted somewhat. So I don't really expect conflict with Iran, not soon anyway.

Overall, China seems to be making the right move, which is to engage them, prepare to eventually recognise the IEA, don't antagonize them, but remain on guard for any U turns, as Hua Chunying et al are using right now
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solarz

Brigadier
Please don't compare the PLA, an organization with progressive, science based ideology that wanted radical reform to a system that was not working, to an organization that wants to go back to medieval era beliefs.

If ideology is different than everything is different just like a soldier fighting to defend their homeland is very different than a soldier that's part of a Nazi purging squad.

You've fallen for the Western propaganda lock, stock and barrel.

The Taliban won Afghanistan for the same reason the PLA won China: they both enjoyed widespread popular support.

This support is not happenstance. As we have seen in Kabul, the Taliban are a disciplined force that respects the people. This kind of discipline doesn't appear overnight. When we take in those stories about Australian atrocities against Afghan farmers, which are only the tip of the iceberg, it's obvious that the Taliban was able to gain widespread support by positioning themselves as a contrast to the brutality of the occupiers.

Whether you like their beliefs or not, the Taliban are very much soldiers fighting to defend their homeland.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Copy-paste from the Breaking news thread

Do Taliban have tendencies to spark terrorism beyond Afghanistan border or they are content to simply rule within Afghanistan? I have seen some hot takes that Taliban victories will mean conflict with Iran, Russia, China and other central Asia regions.

Seems people conflate alqaeda and Isis with Taliban.

The only ‘terrorists’ the Taliban ever hosted were Al-Q, who were American created, trained, financed and backed ‘freedom fighters’ at the time in any case.

No, Afghanistan doesn’t have a proven track record of tendencies to spark terrorism in other countries, since one instances is not a trend. But America OTOH does have a very rich history of creating and supporting terrorist organisations to damage their enemies and rivals and even BFFs (see American support for the IRA during the ‘Troubles’ against their ‘special relations’ the British).
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
Whether you like their beliefs or not, the Taliban are very much soldiers fighting to defend their homeland.
Yeah, that's true but we shouldn't kid ourselves: The Taliban are retrograde, barbaric savages. But they're still better than American occupation because anything is better than American occupation.
I thought it was Irish American initiatives most of the time and maybe some congressman that represented Irish American folks.
Yeah, but a little bit of America goes a long way, especially decades ago before its recent decline.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Yeah, that's true but we shouldn't kid ourselves: The Taliban are retrograde, barbaric savages. But they're still better than American occupation because anything is better than American occupation.

I don't find such judgments worthwhile. It remains to be seen how the Taliban will rule this time around. That they've approached China for help with reconstruction is a good sign.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
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I don't find such judgments worthwhile. It remains to be seen how the Taliban will rule this time around. That they've approached China for help with reconstruction is a good sign.
Neither do I, but I've noticed that quite a few people here (not you per se, but others in this thread) and elsewhere are lionizing the Taliban because they oppose America. I thought it worth stating that it's possible for an entity to oppose America and make friendly overtures to China and still be filth. And for the record, I wholeheartedly and unreservedly support China working with the worst filth on the planet if that's in the national interest.
 

ougoah

Brigadier
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Some really judgy tones here. We'll have to wait and see how the Taliban's domestic policy eventually shape out. We'll have to wait and see how the Taliban will behave with neighbours. China doesn't want to antagonise the ruling group. Working with whoever is in charge towards building some relation based on mutual agreement and benefit is the way forward for bilateral relations. Don't play with fire like India.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I thought it was Irish American initiatives most of the time and maybe some congressman that represented Irish American folks.

Show me a single country the US has branded as state sponsors of terrorism who couldn’t make that threshold of separation and plausible deniability.
 
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