China's Space Program Thread II

escobar

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Strong outside pressure, particularly from certain elements within NASA & from the U.S. State department, that heavily contributed to this decision. One fine example was that the US ambassador to a certain European country, with major spaceflight industry, confronted both industry & government officials over a recent deal with CNSA. She laid down a ultimatum. As a result, the agreement with CNSA was reversed.
The threats were that ESA might lose Gateway work and/or Artemis flight opportunities if it continued cooperation with China on crewed spaceflight.
 

taxiya

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@anzha did, although the news seemed to have received less attention than it deserves. Here it is:

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To sum it up:
- The spaceport is to be built at Obock, located in the northern region of Djibouti;
- HKATG and the Djiboutian government are expected to sign a formal contract with the Republic of Djibouti Spaceport;
- The signing of the formal contract will be held in March 2023;
- Construction of the spaceport will begin after the signing of the formal contract and will last for 5 years;
- The government of Djibouti is expected to provide the necessary land (minimum 10 square kilometres with a lease that runs for a minimum of 35 years; and
- HKATG and the Djiboutian government will co-manage the spaceport for a period of 30 years.
- The spaceport will be handed over to the Djiboutian government after 30 years of co-management.

The location of Obock in Djibouti, where the spaceport is expected to be built.
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China and Djibouti should watch out for any attempts by the US-led West in coercing and jeopardizing the project. This is a very important milestone to be achived for China, Africa and China-Africa relations, and therefore, the success of the project must be made into a reality.

Also, I was thinking that had Somalia not being embroiled in a decades-long civil war, China could have build the spaceport there instead, as the southern regions of Somalia is right on the equator.
I don't understand why Djibouti. It is close to equator at 11 degree north good for low inclination orbit, but it is an area with lots of marine traffic. For SSO, the launch goes south over Ethiopia (retrograde) or Somalia. Except the slightly better latitude than Hainan, it is worst everything else.

Yes, Somalia would be the best, but that is not possible within our life time.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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I don't understand why Djibouti. It is close to equator at 11 degree north good for low inclination orbit, but it is an area with lots of marine traffic. For SSO, the launch goes south over Ethiopia (retrograde) or Somalia. Except the slightly better latitude than Hainan, it is worst everything else.

Yes, Somalia would be the best, but that is not possible within our life time.
Agree. I was also thinking that since Somalia is not possible, Kenya should offer another (and seemingly better) option. I wonder why HKATG didn't consider Kenya, since the country is also laid across the equator and does have a coast which doesn't have a busy maritime traffic nearby.
 

taxiya

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Agree. I was also thinking that since Somalia is not possible, Kenya should offer another (and seemingly better) option. I wonder why HKATG didn't consider Kenya, since the country is also laid across the equator and does have a coast which doesn't have a busy maritime traffic nearby.
Drawback of Kenya could be that it has lots of National Parks and natural reserves even along the coast. The coast also has lots of tourist destinations. That makes it easier for interest groups to block/delay/sabotage anything considering Kenya is a very westernized democracy. Remember the China sponsored railway project. Even though the railway project directly benefits the Kenyans, it still faced lots of resistance. A space program is too far away from both the government and the people, one can imagine the resistance.

Djibouti on the other hand is going for the money from the operation of the facility since the country has very limited choice of economy activities, the space industry can serve like shipping industry.

But still, the geography is bad unless I missed something.
 

davidau

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Strong outside pressure, particularly from certain elements within NASA & from the U.S. State department, that heavily contributed to this decision. One fine example was that the US ambassador to a certain European country, with major spaceflight industry, confronted both industry & government officials over a recent deal with CNSA. She laid down a ultimatum. As a result, the agreement with CNSA was reversed.
The threats were that ESA might lose Gateway work and/or Artemis flight opportunities if it continued cooperation with China on crewed spaceflight.
US get your bloody nose out of their people's business!
 

by78

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Newly released high-resolution images taken by the Yutu-2 lunar rover. Pardon the large dimensions, but the file sizes are very modest (totaling only 1.6mb).

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by78

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Some updates from ExPace, a subsidiary of CASIC. Its LOX/Methane Mingfeng-1 engine has passed all ground tests and engineering assessments, and preparations are underway for its first test flight. The Mingfeng-2 engine is also making good progress. A prototype has been assembled and will soon be ready for its first full test run.

The image below shows a Mingfeng-1 engine during a test firing.

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