China's Space Program Thread II

GulfLander

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Return Americans to the moon, maybe (if Artemis II pans out).
Land on the moon,..highly doubtful with the
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in my honest opinion. Artemis III NLT 26 months out is simply too aspirational right now.

Also, this is not the thread for this, a tweet like that goes here.

Well, he talked abt CN space.
 

gpt

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Future space policy is an interesting topic and I think it's relevant for this thread, or the more dedicated one:
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Boots and flag mission in the 21st century is simply too small a goal to justify building such an extensive infrastructure for. I think everyone recognizes the real goal here is who will build the more efficient architecture to utilize cislunar space, with water ice being the most valuable resource. For this reason the 'moon race', while politically loaded, is very real in terms of practical logistics.

On a side tangent, IMO the Outer Space Treaty will have to be completely rewritten with the way things are headed (Artemis, ILRS, Golden Dome etc).
 
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gelgoog

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the Outer Space Treaty will have to be completely rewritten with the way things are headed (Artemis, ILRS, Golden Dome etc).
The treaty will just be torn to pieces.

We might get to see Kessler Syndrome in our generation.
 

iewgnem

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Future space policy is an interesting topic and I think it's relevant for this thread, or the more dedicated one:
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Boots and flag mission in the 21st century is simply too small a goal to justify building such an extensive infrastructure for. I think everyone recognizes the real goal here is who will build the more efficient architecture to utilize cislunar space, with water ice being the most valuable resource. For this reason the 'moon race', while politically loaded, is very real in terms of practical logistics.

On a side tangent, IMO the Outer Space Treaty will have to be completely rewritten with the way things are headed (Artemis, ILRS, Golden Dome etc).
Well I guess only Americans would know if they actually already finished the race in 1969;)

Cis-lunar infrastructure require actual technological development that goes well beyond earth launch vehicle and only China is / is able to develop the whole set right now (ISRU with CE-8, autonomous lunar orbit docking, autonomous terrain obstacle avoidance, CSS expansion, etc). US Artemis was just Trump's personal fantasy back in 2017 which Elon then tapped into to fund his own pet project, hence the 20 launch per mission architecture that nobody including Elon think makes sense, i.e. nobody in the US actually cares about cis-lunar infrasturcture.

In this sense it's perfectly understandable why Americans see it as a race, they actually do consider it over if they can plant a flag, as to why they care so much about doing something they (allegedly) already did, who knows.

* Also, this is the resume of the current NASA Admin: "Sean Patrick Duffy is an American politician, former television presenter, lobbyist, attorney, and lumberjack". Trump almost certainly appointed him to run NASA because he saw Sean Duffy on TV in a lumberjack competiton.
 
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