China's Space Program Thread II

taxiya

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Is there mention of the number of engines on the first stage? at only 4 YF-100K the LM-12 can't perform a stage recovery burn.
The 2nd photo of the post that you replied said "reusable rocket based on open cycle LOX/Kerosene engine". YF-100K is larger than open cycle engine of 80t something. Having 5 or 7 smaller engines in CZ-12's 3.8 metre (4 metre class) is doable.

Considerring the 10km test (see link below) by 8th was done with 3 70t methalox engines in a line configuration and CZ-10's 1st stage test was also 3 engines in a line and CZ-10 can house 7 engines, I think it is almost certain that CZ-12 reusable variant has 7 engines. 1/7* 0.65 (throttle) = 0.09 which is the demand of VTVL.

My understanding is that the reusable variant of CZ-12 will likely have 7 methalox engines.
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I think this report of 10km test conducted by 8th academy is how you got the understanding. The test was conducted with the 3.8m stage same as CZ-12, but with 3 70t methalox engines. However if we trust the latest presentation from 8th (why not), it will be Kerosene engines about similar thrust class, YF-102 would be the perfect candidate.

So the 12B would have completely different engines and configuration. I wonder what warrants the same designation as the 12.
To be frank, China's naming scheme is making less and less logical sense these days, just think what warranted J-35 skipping 15 numbers from J-20.

Question to everyone, do you have the impression/understanding that there will be two reusable variants of CZ-12, if so what is your source? I am confused by the notion, so far we have seen CZ-12 being the non-reusable, CZ-12B as a model being reusable. As far as we have seen right now CASC use number without letter for the base model, so there is always an A variant before B, even if A never materialize. Example is CZ-5 being the base model, CZ-5B being the only materialized variant, but we have seen other lettered variants in development plan of CZ-5 earlier on. Worth to note CZ-5 was the E variant in paper, D was supposed to be the base, but replaced by E.
 
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China's strongest near-Earth rocket will be paired with an "enhanced space shuttle" for the first time. It is expected that on the evening of December 16, 2024 (tomorrow night), the Long March 5B Yao-6 carrier rocket will carry out the launch mission of the Yuanzheng-2 Yao-2 upper stage, planning to send several networking satellites from the giant constellation directly into orbit.
 

by78

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High-resolution images of Beijing Daxing airport taken by Gaofen-5B on December 7, 2024.

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by78

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A presentation given by the founder and CEO of Tianbing/Space Pioneer.


Tianlong-3 has a length of 72m, diameter of 3.8m, fairing diameter of 5.2m, take-off mass of 590 tons, take-off thrust of 770 tons, and capacity to LEO of 14 tons. The first stage is powered by nine 85-ton TH-12 LOX/Kerosene engines and the second stage by a TH-12V (restartable). It's designed with launching the Qianfan/G60 constellation in mind. Maiden flight is scheduled for May, 2025:
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Tianlong-3H has a capacity to LEO of 68 tons, first flight expected in 2026. Tialong-3M manned intercontinental transport can carry 50 passengers, first flight expected in 2028:
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A presentation given by the founder and CEO of Tianbing/Space Pioneer.


Tianlong-3 has a length of 72m, diameter of 3.8m, fairing diameter of 5.2m, take-off mass of 590 tons, take-off thrust of 770 tons, and capacity to LEO of 14 tons. The first stage is powered by nine 85-ton TH-12 LOX/Kerosene engines and the second stage by a TH-12V (restartable). It's designed with launching the Qianfan/G60 constellation in mind. Maiden flight is scheduled for May, 2025:

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Based on the last picture, it looks like it is 17t LEO, 14t SSO?

Or is 14t LEO for reusable.

There is also "2026" for TL-3H, but considering TL-3 still has "2024" on that slide I wouldn't be surprised if it was moved to the right as well.
 

by78

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Based on the last picture, it looks like it is 17t LEO, 14t SSO?

Or is 14t LEO for reusable.

There is also "2026" for TL-3H, but considering TL-3 still has "2024" on that slide I wouldn't be surprised if it was moved to the right as well.

That was a typo. It should indeed be 17 ton to LEO as indicated on the slide.
 
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