China's Space Program Thread II

[sunnymaxi]

Easier said than done. Having huge plans, or having the thousands of satellites waiting in a warehouse means nothing when the bottleneck is launches. China was clearly leaning on the private sector to step up for more launches, they have been disappointing so far. SpaceX is really just built different, because the private Chinese rocket companies keep missing targets, keep fucking up and are just super underwhelming so far. Anyone hoping for a Chinese SpaceX or for the private sector to deliver a reusable rocket anytime soon will be disappointed.

you really have no idea, what you are talking about.. its better to zip your mouth if you don't know anything..

China's rocket launch capacity is about to really ramp up over next few years.

1. Hyperbola-3. An orbital launch and recovery test will be conducted by the end of 2025. Maiden launch and recovery mission is set for 2026. Will reach a launch rate of 25 per year by 2030.

2. LANDSPACE's Zhuque rockets will launch resupply missions to the China Space Station starting 2026, These rockets will also use to launch Mega constellation satellites.

3. LANDSPACE's Zhuque-3, completing a VTVL 10km landing test in September, is set to launch next year with three missions (60-ton payload). It aims to become China’s first reusable rocket. it is pretty soon

4. Tianlong-3 carrier rocket is scheduled to launch for the first time soon from the second station of Hainan International Commercial Space Launch Center.


these are just few examples of private companies..

 

[antwerpery]

you really have no idea, what you are talking about.. its better to zip your mouth if you don't know anything..

China's rocket launch capacity is about to really ramp up over next few years.

1. Hyperbola-3. An orbital launch and recovery test will be conducted by the end of 2025. Maiden launch and recovery mission is set for 2026. Will reach a launch rate of 25 per year by 2030.

2. LANDSPACE's Zhuque rockets will launch resupply missions to the China Space Station starting 2026, These rockets will also use to launch Mega constellation satellites.

3. LANDSPACE's Zhuque-3, completing a VTVL 10km landing test in September, is set to launch next year with three missions (60-ton payload). It aims to become China’s first reusable rocket. it is pretty soon

4. Tianlong-3 carrier rocket is scheduled to launch for the first time soon from the second station of Hainan International Commercial Space Launch Center.


these are just few examples of private companies..

Big plans that will just get delayed. Ispace can’t even launch simple solid motor rockets without a 50% failure rate. Landspace going by their 2023 plan, was supposed to have 4 launches in 2024, they currently have 1. Space pioneer was supposed to have launched and landed their TL-3 by now, going by their original plan. GE and deep blue were supposed to have the maiden flight of their liquid fuelled rockets in 2024… Both of them are gonna to be pushed to next the middle of next year.

None of them have actually met their own targets or timelines. None of them have displayed any technical brilliance that makes me think that they will meet their targets in the future or actually innovate. Hell, companies like Space pioneer didn’t even do their own engineering, their TL-2 rocket was made with engines that they bought off a state owned company. Landing rockets and reusing them is hard, half of the companies you have listed haven’t made it into orbit yet, half of the ones that have made orbit don’t have a liquid fuelled rocket in service and the two that do, are just tiny medium fuelled rockets and are struggling to scale up.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Okay, tacoburger.

 

[sunnymaxi]

Big plans that will just get delayed. Ispace can’t even launch simple solid motor rockets without a 50% failure rate. Landspace going by their 2023 plan, was supposed to have 4 launches in 2024, they currently have 1. Space pioneer was supposed to have launched and landed their TL-3 by now, going by their original plan. GE and deep blue were supposed to have the maiden flight of their liquid fuelled rockets in 2024… Both of them are gonna to be pushed to next the middle of next year.

None of them have actually met their own targets or timelines. None of them have displayed any technical brilliance that makes me think that they will meet their targets in the future or actually innovate. Hell, companies like Space pioneer didn’t even do their own engineering, their TL-2 rocket was made with engines that they bought off a state owned company. Landing rockets and reusing them is hard, half of the companies you have listed haven’t made it into orbit yet, half of the ones that have made orbit don’t have a liquid fuelled rocket in service and the two that do, are just tiny medium fuelled rockets and are struggling to scale up.

will not delay..

Landspace is doing extremely well in regards with Zhuque-2 and Zhuque-3. both rockets upgraded. they announced to resupply missions to the China Space Station from 2026.. reusable Zhuque-3 is going to launch with 60 tons capacity next year..

This is where your lack of knowledge shows,

i-Space is completely rebranded with new leadership and plans.

i-Space has broken ground on its launch vehicle assembly plant in Wenchang. The project covers an area of 90 acres. Once completed, it will have the capacity of assembling three launch vehicles simultaneously and an annual capacity for producing/turning around 36 re-usable launch vehicles. they also begun construction on a 10,000-ton landing barge for reusable rockets.


Tianlong-3 carrier rocket is scheduled to launch for the first time soon. company just announced.

i know you very well .. welcome back on this forum with different account tacoburger... XD

 

[by78]

Zhuque-3 (ZQ-3) LOX/Methane launch vehicle will come in two variants (base variant and improved variant).

Base variant:
– Takeoff mass: 550 tons
– Capacity to LEO (single-use, reusable): 11.8 tons, 8 tons
– 1st stage powered by nine TQ-12A engines, upper stage by one TQ-15A.

Improved variant:
– Takeoff mass: 654.5 tons
– Capacity to LEO: 21.3 tons (single use), 18.3 tons (reusable, landing away from launch site), 12.5 tons (reusable, returning to launch site)
– 1st stage powered by nine TQ-12B engines, upper stage by one TQ-15B.

TQ-12A (used to power the 1st stage of Zhuque-3) under testing.

 

[by78]

After the rather amusing mishap with Tianlong-3's static hot test, Tianhui has delayed the maiden launch to 2025.

The replacement Tianlong-3 under assembly.

 

[taxiya]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm hearing rumors that some major upcoming scientific projects like the CFER or CEPC didn't get their funding approved in the latest major funding rounds for this kinds of projects, meaning that they are basically quietly cancelled or put on hold indefinitely. This is just a rumor, but from what I can tell, both projects don't actually have official approval yet, despite them being massive projects that need to have construction started on soon if they want to be finished before the late 2030s. So there might be a grain of truth to this. Anyone have any concrete info?

As for my CFER and CEPP claims, it’s just rumours that I have seen while browsing the internet. I’m not sure, hence me asking around in this forum. But like I said, this projects have been in the funding/approval process for a while now, and I haven’t heard of them actually getting approved and construction starting, which tracks with the rumours.

This forum is not a rumour mill. Don't waste our time to "chase ghosts" or "chasing wind and catching shadow" in Chinese idiom. Come back when you've found your ghosts.

 

[Joliex10]

Easier said than done. Having huge plans, or having the thousands of satellites waiting in a warehouse means nothing when the bottleneck is launches. China was clearly leaning on the private sector to step up for more launches, they have been disappointing so far. SpaceX is really just built different, because the private Chinese rocket companies keep missing targets, keep fucking up and are just super underwhelming so far. Anyone hoping for a Chinese SpaceX or for the private sector to deliver a reusable rocket anytime soon will be disappointed.

The biggest player in China's space program is China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) and it is likely to remain that way. CASC will lead the effort to launch those 30,000+ satellites into orbit. The small private companies will contribute occasionally but the primary work will be carried out by Long March rockets. CASC already has a range of new rocket models - Long March 12, Long March 6A and Long March 8 which are designed to handle these satellite payloads. They are currently developing reusable rockets, but even so, their non-reusable rockets like the ones mentioned are still cheaper for launching payloads into orbit compared to the Falcon 9.

CASC consistently delivers results and are at the top when it comes to accomplishing space mission. They have successfully built a space station, sent taikonauts to space and brought them back to Earth, landed rovers on Mars and the Moon, completed lunar sample return missions (only nation to do so), deployed both navigational and military satellite constellations. Compared to government/state organizations like NASA have struggled. NASA failed to land a rover on the Moon this year and has left astronauts stranded in space for over eight months with their return delayed until February next year and possibly even longer.

 

[iewgnem]

Big plans that will just get delayed. Ispace can’t even launch simple solid motor rockets without a 50% failure rate. Landspace going by their 2023 plan, was supposed to have 4 launches in 2024, they currently have 1. Space pioneer was supposed to have launched and landed their TL-3 by now, going by their original plan. GE and deep blue were supposed to have the maiden flight of their liquid fuelled rockets in 2024… Both of them are gonna to be pushed to next the middle of next year.

None of them have actually met their own targets or timelines. None of them have displayed any technical brilliance that makes me think that they will meet their targets in the future or actually innovate. Hell, companies like Space pioneer didn’t even do their own engineering, their TL-2 rocket was made with engines that they bought off a state owned company. Landing rockets and reusing them is hard, half of the companies you have listed haven’t made it into orbit yet, half of the ones that have made orbit don’t have a liquid fuelled rocket in service and the two that do, are just tiny medium fuelled rockets and are struggling to scale up.

How many US space companies are there who reached orbit? lol

The thing is, all those Chinese commercial launch providers arent even the main show, the main show is CASC and moon base, you're comparing the entirity of the US space program to China's side project, and it still looks sad. I mean Axiom can barely pay bills and they're the only hope for future US space station and lunar suit...

It really reminds me of 2016 when Americans all thought Tesla was going to dominate EVs, while at the exact same time China's building what we now know is a practical global monpoly.

 

[Blitzo]

The replacement Tianlong-3 under assembly.

I've read that the imagery itself is old and being reused, but that the information itself is true. I haven't gone back to check yet myself, but I thought it would be worth flagging.