China's Space Program Thread II

iantsai

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Different departments. Rockets=/=space station, or a Mars rover. This is like trying to give the PLAN the credit for the J-20. Why not give SpaceX credit for the James webb space telescope too while we're at it. Yes, other aspects of space development are moving fast, but rockets are literally the most important part of a space program and they were ignored for decades. The YF-100 is a good engine, but too bad that like there's like 5 rockets a year that's launching that uses the YF-100, compared to the 50-60 launches a year that China can output.

Is it not true that

1) The hypergolic rockets have basically been in service for like 30 years straight with no major upgrades
2) The modern cryogenic rocket roll-out have been progressing at a snail's pace and were introduced very late into China's development cycle
3) The pace is extremely slow for a rocket development. America went from first orbital flight to a super heavy rocket in 9 years. China went from making orbit in 1970 to a super heavy rocket in ??? years, because it hasn't even flown one yet.
4) The speed of rocket development has skyrocketed in the last 5 years, with dozens of different rocket and rocket engines designs, most of which are reusable and are of extremely powerful rockets, most of the dozen or so F9 clones can carry >15 tons to LEO, making them the 2nd most powerful rocket in China, only behind the LM5. Where was this speed 20 years ago? Oh yeah, no SpaceX to copy...

The CZ-5 rocket comparison is hilarious. China sent her first rocket into orbit in 1970, the CZ-5 made her maiden launch in 2016, 46 years. Do you know how long it took America or the soviet union from first orbit to first heavy lift rocket? Less then 10 years.
During the Project Apollo era, NASA's annual funding was as high as 0.6% of the annual US GDP.

In China, neither the national GDP nor the CNSA budget has ever reached that high a level. In 2022, the total budget of China's aerospace industry (not only budget of CNSA) is approximately US$11.9 billion, which is less than 0.1% of China’s total annual GDP.

So your accusation is untenable. CNSA must spend its limited funds prudently on all aspects.
 

iantsai

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An
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that explores possible methods used for mapping a lunar lava
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. It's proposed that three rovers carry out the mission. A mother rover carrying two small rovers approaches the lava tube and maps its entrance. The mother rover then releases the two small rovers to explore the interior of the tube. One of the small rovers is tethered to the mother rover by a wire, which provides the small rover with both power and communications. The other small rover is a hopper+crawler combo that lands on the bottom of the lava tube and then proceeds to map the interior using lidar.


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Cave exploration based on more efficient tools and direct human involvement is fraught with danger and surprises on earth.

I fear that the failure rate of such missions on the Moon would be even higher. I think it would be more realistic to carry out such explorations after humans establish lunar base over there.
 

by78

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High-resolution images from the launch of ChinaSat-3A (using a Long March 7). ChinaSat-3A is a broadcast and communications satellite that provides voice, data, radio, and TV transmission services. This launch marks the 526th flight of the Long March series.

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by78

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Illustrations of the Tianwen-2 astroid sampling-return spacecraft.

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A list of payloads to be carried by the Tianwen-2 spacecraft, which include infrared imaging spectrometer, thermal radiation spectrometer, multi-spectral camera, color camera, radar, magnetometer, charged and neutral particle analyzer, ejecta analyzer, and laser integrated navigation sensors, etc.

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Blitzo

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Sadly
It ended in a catastrophic failure.
The first stage of the rocket escaped from the pad literally

That's what I mean by the "static" part of the test not happening lol

I imagine there is probably a bit of useful data they can claw from it, assuming the company doesn't go out of business or get shut down for this
 
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