My chair can provide better imagery than Chinasat2A, it's a tactic communication satellite for the PLA.
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My chair can provide better imagery than Chinasat2A, it's a tactic communication satellite for the PLA.
Re: Dragon is ready to fly, why is it so cheap?
Its just sour grapes on your part. You have zero evidence about what Space X will do in the future
Its just sour grapes on your part. You have zero evidence about what Space X will do in the future
In4ser
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Re: Dragon is ready to fly, why is it so cheap?
Maybe in Low Earth Orbit, but otherwise it may be doubtful. Neil Degasse explained it well when its said that Private Companies are unwilling to undertake something completely new like exploration of Mars. It's never been done before so risks is hard to quantify and other than PR there isn't much of a profit to be made nor is there a demand, as it completely new.
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Re: Dragon is ready to fly, why is it so cheap?
I'm sorry but you just do not understand the role of private space in the flow of space exploration. For your information landing on Mars has been the stated goal of SpaceX.
Private US company SpaceX hopes to put an astronaut on Mars within 10 to 20 years, the head of the firm said.
"We'll probably put a first man in space in about three years," Elon Musk told the Wall Street Journal Saturday. "We're going all the way to Mars, I think... best case 10 years, worst case 15 to 20 years."
Private space companies like Space X, Jeff Bezos and his Blue Origin (), Burt Rutan and the others have the spirit that powered America to go to the moon in under ten years. Its the spirit that counts. And this spirit drives the innovation needed to overcome seemly major problems.
While other countries and organizations fiddle around with LEO (Low Earth Orbit), private space in America has saddled up and is headed out.
Private space is the best thing to ever happen to America in space and fortunately Obama had the foresight to see the opportunity
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One more thing: The vision for big things and accomplishing the impossible is in the American DNA. When Apollo was proposed America had not even flown a man in space. The Russians were ahead. Kennedy made his bold speech and America got busy.
For example, when the LM (Lunar Module)was not ready to fly on the Saturn V, instead of waiting, the program took the chance and went to the moon on a lunar orbital flight
"....Apollo 8, the second crewed mission in the American Apollo space program, was the first human spaceflight to leave Earth orbit; the first to be captured by and escape from the gravitational field of another celestial body; and the first crewed voyage to return to Earth from another celestial body—Earth's Moon. The three-astronaut crew — Commander Frank Borman, Command Module Pilot James Lovell, and Lunar Module Pilot William Anders — became the first humans to travel beyond low Earth orbit, the first to see Earth as a whole planet, and then the first to directly see the far side of the Moon. The 1968 mission, the first crewed launch of a Saturn V rocket, was also the first crewed launch from the John F. Kennedy Space Center, Florida, located adjacent to Cape Canaveral.
Originally planned as a second Lunar Module/Command Module test in an elliptical medium Earth orbit in early 1969, the mission profile was changed in August 1968 to a more ambitious Command Module-only lunar orbital flight to be flown in December, because the Lunar Module was not yet ready to make its first flight. This meant Borman's crew was scheduled to fly two to three months sooner than originally planned, leaving them a shorter time for training and preparation, thus placing more demands than usual on their time and discipline."
Watching that crew, Borman, Lovell and Anders, walk down the hall to the waiting space craft all suited up and brave as can be gives me goose bumps every time I see them
They didn't know what awaited them but they were willing to take that challenge.
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Next stop Mars
DragonLab-g: an early step to Mars and beyond
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The success of SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft so far makes some wonder what else it can do besides transport cargo or people to and from the International Space Station. Tom Hill describes how it can be used to study some of the key physiological issues of a human mission to Mars.
I'm sorry but you just do not understand the role of private space in the flow of space exploration. For your information landing on Mars has been the stated goal of SpaceX.
Private US company SpaceX hopes to put an astronaut on Mars within 10 to 20 years, the head of the firm said.
"We'll probably put a first man in space in about three years," Elon Musk told the Wall Street Journal Saturday. "We're going all the way to Mars, I think... best case 10 years, worst case 15 to 20 years."
Private space companies like Space X, Jeff Bezos and his Blue Origin (), Burt Rutan and the others have the spirit that powered America to go to the moon in under ten years. Its the spirit that counts. And this spirit drives the innovation needed to overcome seemly major problems.
While other countries and organizations fiddle around with LEO (Low Earth Orbit), private space in America has saddled up and is headed out.
Private space is the best thing to ever happen to America in space and fortunately Obama had the foresight to see the opportunity
---------- Post added at 06:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:12 PM ----------
One more thing: The vision for big things and accomplishing the impossible is in the American DNA. When Apollo was proposed America had not even flown a man in space. The Russians were ahead. Kennedy made his bold speech and America got busy.
For example, when the LM (Lunar Module)was not ready to fly on the Saturn V, instead of waiting, the program took the chance and went to the moon on a lunar orbital flight
"....Apollo 8, the second crewed mission in the American Apollo space program, was the first human spaceflight to leave Earth orbit; the first to be captured by and escape from the gravitational field of another celestial body; and the first crewed voyage to return to Earth from another celestial body—Earth's Moon. The three-astronaut crew — Commander Frank Borman, Command Module Pilot James Lovell, and Lunar Module Pilot William Anders — became the first humans to travel beyond low Earth orbit, the first to see Earth as a whole planet, and then the first to directly see the far side of the Moon. The 1968 mission, the first crewed launch of a Saturn V rocket, was also the first crewed launch from the John F. Kennedy Space Center, Florida, located adjacent to Cape Canaveral.
Originally planned as a second Lunar Module/Command Module test in an elliptical medium Earth orbit in early 1969, the mission profile was changed in August 1968 to a more ambitious Command Module-only lunar orbital flight to be flown in December, because the Lunar Module was not yet ready to make its first flight. This meant Borman's crew was scheduled to fly two to three months sooner than originally planned, leaving them a shorter time for training and preparation, thus placing more demands than usual on their time and discipline."
Watching that crew, Borman, Lovell and Anders, walk down the hall to the waiting space craft all suited up and brave as can be gives me goose bumps every time I see them
They didn't know what awaited them but they were willing to take that challenge.
---------- Post added at 07:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:31 PM ----------
Next stop Mars
DragonLab-g: an early step to Mars and beyond
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The success of SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft so far makes some wonder what else it can do besides transport cargo or people to and from the International Space Station. Tom Hill describes how it can be used to study some of the key physiological issues of a human mission to Mars.
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In4ser
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Re: Dragon is ready to fly, why is it so cheap?
I'm still of the opinion of Neil DeGrasse. Talk is cheap, so far Private Companies are just following footsteps of other Space Organizations like NASA. I agree they have a role in developing Space technology and exploration, but that's only when the risks have been accessed fully and technology has been established. Private Companies and Ventures operate on investors and the risk/reward are not sufficient IMO, especially as project require immense amount of labor, resources and time as a Human Landing on Mars. At the end of the day, investors wants returns and wants results and are not willing to sacrifice absurd amounts of people and money usually at a loss, like Nations have done in the name of Political or Military Competition. We'll just have to agree to disagree and see what happens.
I'm still of the opinion of Neil DeGrasse. Talk is cheap, so far Private Companies are just following footsteps of other Space Organizations like NASA. I agree they have a role in developing Space technology and exploration, but that's only when the risks have been accessed fully and technology has been established. Private Companies and Ventures operate on investors and the risk/reward are not sufficient IMO, especially as project require immense amount of labor, resources and time as a Human Landing on Mars. At the end of the day, investors wants returns and wants results and are not willing to sacrifice absurd amounts of people and money usually at a loss, like Nations have done in the name of Political or Military Competition. We'll just have to agree to disagree and see what happens.
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Re: Dragon is ready to fly, why is it so cheap?
While you say that private companies are "just following in the footsteps" of NASA you should be aware that entire nations are following in the footsteps of NASA as they struggle to achieve a presence in LEO. And of course attempting their first missions to the moon
Regarding your statement that these projects require " immense amount of labor, resources and time" understand that those people committed to to doing these projects still exist and have the spirit needed to overcome these seemly impossible obstacles with innovation and human ingenuity. The key word is that they are committed. For example the founder of Space X has already spent $100 million US, of his own personal fortune, to achieve these first goals of space exploration. And others are stepping up with money and talents to do the same. There are those who will work for minimum wage to see these projects be a success. I call that pure love and commitment to the goal of exploration of space.
Even Neil DeGrasse will come around before too long and hop on the space exploration train as he sees it starting to leave the station. No man or woman who dreams of travel to the stars will want to be left out of this emerging space renaissance that the world is seeing today
As I mentioned before it is such commitment and determination that mere money or political consideration cannot buy. There is a vast reservoir of retired and laid off engineers, skilled space workers, military and others just ready to return to work, to see the goals of space exploration come to fruition. These people grew up in the space age, and Space X and the other private companies are beginning to tap this talent pool. And it is this talent pool will make the private space industry in the United States nearly unstoppable
While you are entitled to your opinion remember that Space X has accomplished in the short time it has been in existence what has taken some nations decades to achieve.
While you say that private companies are "just following in the footsteps" of NASA you should be aware that entire nations are following in the footsteps of NASA as they struggle to achieve a presence in LEO. And of course attempting their first missions to the moon
Regarding your statement that these projects require " immense amount of labor, resources and time" understand that those people committed to to doing these projects still exist and have the spirit needed to overcome these seemly impossible obstacles with innovation and human ingenuity. The key word is that they are committed. For example the founder of Space X has already spent $100 million US, of his own personal fortune, to achieve these first goals of space exploration. And others are stepping up with money and talents to do the same. There are those who will work for minimum wage to see these projects be a success. I call that pure love and commitment to the goal of exploration of space.
Even Neil DeGrasse will come around before too long and hop on the space exploration train as he sees it starting to leave the station. No man or woman who dreams of travel to the stars will want to be left out of this emerging space renaissance that the world is seeing today
As I mentioned before it is such commitment and determination that mere money or political consideration cannot buy. There is a vast reservoir of retired and laid off engineers, skilled space workers, military and others just ready to return to work, to see the goals of space exploration come to fruition. These people grew up in the space age, and Space X and the other private companies are beginning to tap this talent pool. And it is this talent pool will make the private space industry in the United States nearly unstoppable
While you are entitled to your opinion remember that Space X has accomplished in the short time it has been in existence what has taken some nations decades to achieve.
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