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kriss

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RTG is also an expensive, big, heavy, and mostly not a must have piece of hardware. While it has many advantage, one could argue if it's worth the trade off.
 

gelgoog

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RTG is also an expensive, big, heavy, and mostly not a must have piece of hardware. While it has many advantage, one could argue if it's worth the trade off.

It is worth it if you want something to last for years without a chance for breaking down and also uses little power.
This includes things like deep space probes.
 

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The space station spotted by an amateur astronomer on the ground.

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I saw this in the morning and didn't think much of it, but on second thought maybe it's worth talking about.
Russia’s space authority will incorporate a Chinese superheavy launcher into its home-grown manned spacecraft for future moon-landing missions, a senior Russian official said.

Alexander Bloshenko, executive director of the state-backed space agency Roscosmos, said that in the future China and Russia
would design technical procedures for their respective spacecraft to allow integration in future space missions.

“Both sides have agreed to incorporate Russia’s superheavy rocket with China’s human space flight as well as the other way round – incorporate China’s superheavy rocket with Russia’s manned carriers,” he said on Monday, according to Russian state-owned news agency Sputnik. China has not commented on the planned space cooperation with Russia.

Russia’s space authority will incorporate a Chinese superheavy launcher into its home-grown manned spacecraft for future moon-landing missions, a senior Russian official said.

While Bloshenko did not specify which spacecraft would be involved, the report referred to the construction of Russia’s Yenisei superheavy launcher and the Oryol manned spacecraft. It also mentioned construction under way of China’s new-generation heavy launch vehicle Long March 9 and a new-generation crew launch vehicle.

According to previous government announcements, the first lift-off of Yenisei and Oyrol is set for 2028 and a test flight of China’s Long March 9 is expected in 2030.

Space exploration
and related technologies were identified as a key area of cooperation between Beijing and Moscow in their rapidly deepening bilateral relations
amid shared pressure from the United States. Space cooperation is also expected to be on the agenda during talks between China’s top diplomat Yang Jiechi and secretary of Russia’s Security Council Nikolai Patrushev
in Moscow on Tuesday.

In a communique following a foreign ministerial meeting in March, Russia and China said they would expand their cooperation
in lunar and deep-space exploration, satellite communication technology, aerospace components and Russia’s proposed Spektr-M scientific satellite, as well as long-term cooperation in satellite navigation by enhancing the compatibility of China’s BeiDou and Russia’s Glonass satellites.

Chinese military affairs commentator and former PLA instructor Song Zhongping said given the agreement allowing China and Russia to work together on lunar space missions, it made sense for the two countries to trust each other enough at the launch of each other’s manned spacecraft.

“If the project is possible, it will be a great demonstration of the adoption of an aligned standard in space programmes between Russia and China … this is a show of strong cooperation and trust, and also lays the foundation and standards for other aspects of the space cooperation, like the lunar station,” Song said.

China’s space programme
has been developing rapidly since it became the third nation to independently launch an astronaut into orbit in 2003, four decades after the Soviets and Americans first did so. Beijing plans to set up a space station
by 2022 and a lunar station by 2045.

While Beijing insists its space programme is developed for peaceful purposes, its rapidly improving capabilities have raised suspicions, particularly from the US. In June last year, the Pentagon’s new space strategy listed China and Russia as strategic threats that “have weaponised space as a means to reduce US and allies’ military effectiveness and challenge … freedom of operation in space”.

One of China’s current largest launch vehicle the Long March 5B re-entered Earth earlier this month after launching part of China’s space station. Its plunge into the Indian Ocean prompted the US space agency Nasa to accuse China’s space programme of failing to “meet responsible standards”.

Last year, China became the first country in four decades to bring rocks from the moon back to Earth and the third country to achieve such a feat, after the United States and the Soviet Union.

Given that Russia and China signed that agreement previously to build a lunar surface station together making payloads and super heavy lift launch vehicles compatible between the two countries seem like a good idea. I'm not very familiar with Yenisei, has Russia made much progress on this rocket?
 

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Given that Russia and China signed that agreement previously to build a lunar surface station together making payloads and super heavy lift launch vehicles compatible between the two countries seem like a good idea. I'm not very familiar with Yenisei, has Russia made much progress on this rocket?

There is a claim the design will be finished in October of this year. If the Angara is any guide, the rocket will not have made much progress.
 

kriss

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I saw this in the morning and didn't think much of it, but on second thought maybe it's worth talking about.
Russia’s space authority will incorporate a Chinese superheavy launcher into its home-grown manned spacecraft for future moon-landing missions, a senior Russian official said.

Alexander Bloshenko, executive director of the state-backed space agency Roscosmos, said that in the future China and Russia
would design technical procedures for their respective spacecraft to allow integration in future space missions.

“Both sides have agreed to incorporate Russia’s superheavy rocket with China’s human space flight as well as the other way round – incorporate China’s superheavy rocket with Russia’s manned carriers,” he said on Monday, according to Russian state-owned news agency Sputnik. China has not commented on the planned space cooperation with Russia.

Russia’s space authority will incorporate a Chinese superheavy launcher into its home-grown manned spacecraft for future moon-landing missions, a senior Russian official said.

While Bloshenko did not specify which spacecraft would be involved, the report referred to the construction of Russia’s Yenisei superheavy launcher and the Oryol manned spacecraft. It also mentioned construction under way of China’s new-generation heavy launch vehicle Long March 9 and a new-generation crew launch vehicle.

According to previous government announcements, the first lift-off of Yenisei and Oyrol is set for 2028 and a test flight of China’s Long March 9 is expected in 2030.

Space exploration
and related technologies were identified as a key area of cooperation between Beijing and Moscow in their rapidly deepening bilateral relations
amid shared pressure from the United States. Space cooperation is also expected to be on the agenda during talks between China’s top diplomat Yang Jiechi and secretary of Russia’s Security Council Nikolai Patrushev
in Moscow on Tuesday.

In a communique following a foreign ministerial meeting in March, Russia and China said they would expand their cooperation
in lunar and deep-space exploration, satellite communication technology, aerospace components and Russia’s proposed Spektr-M scientific satellite, as well as long-term cooperation in satellite navigation by enhancing the compatibility of China’s BeiDou and Russia’s Glonass satellites.

Chinese military affairs commentator and former PLA instructor Song Zhongping said given the agreement allowing China and Russia to work together on lunar space missions, it made sense for the two countries to trust each other enough at the launch of each other’s manned spacecraft.

“If the project is possible, it will be a great demonstration of the adoption of an aligned standard in space programmes between Russia and China … this is a show of strong cooperation and trust, and also lays the foundation and standards for other aspects of the space cooperation, like the lunar station,” Song said.

China’s space programme
has been developing rapidly since it became the third nation to independently launch an astronaut into orbit in 2003, four decades after the Soviets and Americans first did so. Beijing plans to set up a space station
by 2022 and a lunar station by 2045.

While Beijing insists its space programme is developed for peaceful purposes, its rapidly improving capabilities have raised suspicions, particularly from the US. In June last year, the Pentagon’s new space strategy listed China and Russia as strategic threats that “have weaponised space as a means to reduce US and allies’ military effectiveness and challenge … freedom of operation in space”.

One of China’s current largest launch vehicle the Long March 5B re-entered Earth earlier this month after launching part of China’s space station. Its plunge into the Indian Ocean prompted the US space agency Nasa to accuse China’s space programme of failing to “meet responsible standards”.

Last year, China became the first country in four decades to bring rocks from the moon back to Earth and the third country to achieve such a feat, after the United States and the Soviet Union.

Given that Russia and China signed that agreement previously to build a lunar surface station together making payloads and super heavy lift launch vehicles compatible between the two countries seem like a good idea. I'm not very familiar with Yenisei, has Russia made much progress on this rocket?
I believe it's just another way for Russia to say they can launch their payload form Wenchang in the future.
 

taxiya

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I believe it's just another way for Russia to say they can launch their payload form Wenchang in the future.
That is very unlikely. Launch site's plumping and launch tower are specifically designed for a rocket, they can not be shared. Besides, there is no way super heavy rockets can be transported through Russia and China on land. They are prohibitively huge.
 

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I saw this in the morning and didn't think much of it, but on second thought maybe it's worth talking about.
Russia’s space authority will incorporate a Chinese superheavy launcher into its home-grown manned spacecraft for future moon-landing missions, a senior Russian official said.

Alexander Bloshenko, executive director of the state-backed space agency Roscosmos, said that in the future China and Russia
would design technical procedures for their respective spacecraft to allow integration in future space missions.

“Both sides have agreed to incorporate Russia’s superheavy rocket with China’s human space flight as well as the other way round – incorporate China’s superheavy rocket with Russia’s manned carriers,” he said on Monday, according to Russian state-owned news agency Sputnik. China has not commented on the planned space cooperation with Russia.

Russia’s space authority will incorporate a Chinese superheavy launcher into its home-grown manned spacecraft for future moon-landing missions, a senior Russian official said.

While Bloshenko did not specify which spacecraft would be involved, the report referred to the construction of Russia’s Yenisei superheavy launcher and the Oryol manned spacecraft. It also mentioned construction under way of China’s new-generation heavy launch vehicle Long March 9 and a new-generation crew launch vehicle.

According to previous government announcements, the first lift-off of Yenisei and Oyrol is set for 2028 and a test flight of China’s Long March 9 is expected in 2030.

Space exploration
and related technologies were identified as a key area of cooperation between Beijing and Moscow in their rapidly deepening bilateral relations
amid shared pressure from the United States. Space cooperation is also expected to be on the agenda during talks between China’s top diplomat Yang Jiechi and secretary of Russia’s Security Council Nikolai Patrushev
in Moscow on Tuesday.

In a communique following a foreign ministerial meeting in March, Russia and China said they would expand their cooperation
in lunar and deep-space exploration, satellite communication technology, aerospace components and Russia’s proposed Spektr-M scientific satellite, as well as long-term cooperation in satellite navigation by enhancing the compatibility of China’s BeiDou and Russia’s Glonass satellites.

Chinese military affairs commentator and former PLA instructor Song Zhongping said given the agreement allowing China and Russia to work together on lunar space missions, it made sense for the two countries to trust each other enough at the launch of each other’s manned spacecraft.

“If the project is possible, it will be a great demonstration of the adoption of an aligned standard in space programmes between Russia and China … this is a show of strong cooperation and trust, and also lays the foundation and standards for other aspects of the space cooperation, like the lunar station,” Song said.

China’s space programme
has been developing rapidly since it became the third nation to independently launch an astronaut into orbit in 2003, four decades after the Soviets and Americans first did so. Beijing plans to set up a space station
by 2022 and a lunar station by 2045.

While Beijing insists its space programme is developed for peaceful purposes, its rapidly improving capabilities have raised suspicions, particularly from the US. In June last year, the Pentagon’s new space strategy listed China and Russia as strategic threats that “have weaponised space as a means to reduce US and allies’ military effectiveness and challenge … freedom of operation in space”.

One of China’s current largest launch vehicle the Long March 5B re-entered Earth earlier this month after launching part of China’s space station. Its plunge into the Indian Ocean prompted the US space agency Nasa to accuse China’s space programme of failing to “meet responsible standards”.

Last year, China became the first country in four decades to bring rocks from the moon back to Earth and the third country to achieve such a feat, after the United States and the Soviet Union.

Given that Russia and China signed that agreement previously to build a lunar surface station together making payloads and super heavy lift launch vehicles compatible between the two countries seem like a good idea. I'm not very familiar with Yenisei, has Russia made much progress on this rocket?
Russia has the engines already, other than that everything else is only on paper.
 

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That is very unlikely. Launch site's plumping and launch tower are specifically designed for a rocket, they can not be shared. Besides, there is no way super heavy rockets can be transported through Russia and China on land. They are prohibitively huge.

kriss was referring to Russian payload, launched by Chinese rockets.
 
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