China's Space Program News Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.

escobar

Brigadier
Re: Chinese Satellites

Exclusive: U.S. squeezes French-led satellite maker over China

The United States has threatened action that could disrupt a French-led satellite maker's supply chain, spurred by suspicion that it illegally used U.S. know-how or parts in spacecraft launched by Chinese rockets.

The State Department last month quietly warned the company, Thales Alenia Space, that export licenses needed by its U.S. suppliers might be denied, absent greater cooperation in an investigation of the matter, a department email obtained by Reuters showed.

License refusals could crimp the 2 billion euros ($2.65 billion) in worldwide civil and military sales that the company, known as TAS, posted in 2010.

They also could force a costly product-line revamp and strain U.S. ties with France.

The threat escalates the United States' multi-year push for details on the design and components of a watershed telecommunications satellite that TAS has labeled as free of U.S. parts and therefore exempt from U.S. export controls.

The State Department holds that the satellite is not free of license-requiring U.S. parts, and that TAS illegally exported it to China, according to a department summary of actions in the case provided to two congressional committees.

The issue is especially sensitive because U.S. intelligence officials have accused Beijing of wide-ranging covert efforts to steal U.S. technology secrets for economic and military advantage over the United States.

Washington bars satellites containing U.S. parts and U.S. design know-how from launch by China as part of sanctions imposed after the 1989 crushing of the pro-democracy movement at Beijing's Tiananmen Square.

Such U.S. technology is subject to so-called International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR, a set of State Department-enforced rules governing arms trade.

TAS describes its Spacebus 4000C2 as the West's first commercial communications satellite without so much as a U.S. bolt, screw or piece of insulation subject to U.S. control. The company said it has sold eight such "unrestricted" satellites to international customers, five of them already launched by China with the other three to follow.

LICENSE DENIALS

The U.S. warning of possible export-license denials was contained in a January 24 letter to TAS, a joint venture of France's Thales Group, which owns 67 percent, and Italy's Finmeccanica SpA Group, 33 percent.

The letter acknowledged TAS's position that a French "blocking" law limits the company's ability to cooperate with U.S. investigators.

The law bars data release that could undercut French sovereignty or be used in administrative or judicial proceedings abroad.

But the letter, as described by State Department officials in an emailed memo to U.S. congressional staff, urged TAS to reconsider its stance and hand over more data on the makeup of the satellite billed as exempt from U.S. licensing requirements.

Failure to provide the information within 30 days "would lead to consideration of license denials," said the memo obtained by Reuters. It said the department had sought the data over the past two years.

This opens the way for possible blanket denials that could be "a big blow" to the Thales Group and to its U.S. suppliers, said George Grammas, who leads the international trade and export controls practice at Squire Sanders, a law firm. Grammas has served on an industry panel that advises the State Department on defense trade issues.

The Thales Group, headquartered in Neuilly-sur-Seine, generates close to 80 percent of its sales outside France, with operations in 50 countries, according to information on its website.

Export denials to a rival could be a boost to U.S. manufacturers such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Orbital Sciences and Space Systems/Loral, a unit of Loral Space & Communications , that have lost as much as half their global satellite market share in recent years

The U.S. share of global satellite exports has dropped from about 75 percent in 1995 to between 35 percent and 50 percent in the past seven years, according to Patricia Cooper, president of the Satellite Industry Association, a U.S.-based trade group.

ITAR-FREE

Edgar Buckley, a Thales Group senior vice president and former NATO assistant secretary-general, said in an emailed statement to Reuters this week that TAS is trying to help the State Department "to resolve any outstanding concerns it may have."

A French Embassy spokesman in Washington, Luis Vassy, said the embassy had been involved both to "explain the regulations in place in France with regard to the protection of sensitive items and technologies, and to detail the steps taken to make sure no restricted item or technology imported is unduly exported to a third party."

"To our knowledge, no violation by TAS has been observed on ITAR components," he said by email.

The new U.S. squeeze on TAS followed a December 20 letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton from Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, chairwoman of the U.S. House of Representatives' Foreign Affairs Committee, and two fellow senior Republican lawmakers.

"We are concerned that the department is not moving aggressively enough to punish violations of" ITAR, the letter said.

The State Department is continuing to look into U.S. exports to TAS to determine whether the company improperly bundled U.S.-controlled technology into the satellites marketed as "ITAR free," a department official said.

Department officials have been meeting with TAS and "continue gathering information with an eye toward resolution of this matter," the official said.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Re: Chinese Satellites

Bigger in what way? A larger rocket definitely means more payload mass, that's for sure, but if you want to launch 'larger' rockets, as in physical dimensions, or even multiple 'regular' rockets, you'd have to change the geometry of the rocket itself, which is a very precise thing to start with.

If anything, 'conquering' the moon is a fallacy that people should stop fantasizing about. Conquer the atmosphere instead, construct an orbital elevator to even more cheaply import civilization into the void. Conquer what's closer before you conquer something that is worthless.

I'm with you on this space elevator or track. I know China could do it, but the hardest part is getting the tether to be stronger and how to put it up there in the first place.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: Chinese Satellites

There are people who believe the U.S. never did land a man on the moon. A second moon landing could settle the conspiracy theory once and for all. :D

Off Topic rant,

I was 15 years old. Watched the event on TV.. Amazing...

My pops was in the garage with his Ham radio going and a portable TV seeing how much of a delay there was between the broadcast on the TV and the Ham radio. The Ham radio broadcast was about 8-10 seconds ahead of the TV.. as I recall.

If the moon landing was a hoax it would take a cover-up of monumental proportion. Thousand of NASA and military personnel. Someone would have spilled their guts by now.

And here's the topper..The moon landings took place at the height of the Cold War. The US was monitoring the Soviets and others and they were monitoring the US. IF the Apollo landings were a hoax I feel the Russian would have long ago told the World.

Nuff said.

Off Topic over.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: Chinese Satellites

I'm with you on this space elevator or track. I know China could do it, but the hardest part is getting the tether to be stronger and how to put it up there in the first place.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
OT
The hardest part is to find a way to prevent orbital garbage to hit your tether. The tether must be more then 40000 km long and every satellite in a lower orbit, including even flakes of paint, will be available to erode or even cut it.
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Re: Chinese Satellites

OT
The hardest part is to find a way to prevent orbital garbage to hit your tether. The tether must be more then 40000 km long and every satellite in a lower orbit, including even flakes of paint, will be available to erode or even cut it.

Unlike a spacecraft, which could take evasive action, I think the only thing that a space elevator could do is to employ point-defence measures like a laser broom, which would disintegrate smaller particles and "sweep" larger ones off collision course.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Re: Chinese Satellites

There are people who believe that the Earth is flat...

Some of the questions they posed may not be dismissed so easily. For example, why are there no exhaust burn-mark / blast crater on the moon surface where the lunar module had landed. Really, not even a small crater or even some blast mark on the dusty moon surface that one would expect from the powerful blast of the lunar module rocket engine. Whichever side is right, these questions need to be answered satisfactorily.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: Chinese Satellites

1-1744.gif


Quickie, I was alive in 1969. I saw the whole thing on TV. My pops had his Ham radio on in the garage and watched the TV...I'm not making anything up. The Soviets monitored the whole she-bang..

It was real..it happened.

For example, why are there no exhaust burn-mark / blast crater on the moon surface where the lunar module had landed.

There's no air on the moon.

I'm not going to argue with anyone on this subject..let's discuss the full spectrum of the Chinese space programme..so as the fat Rebel pilots says..

1-1.jpg
 
Last edited:

delft

Brigadier
Re: Chinese Satellites

Unlike a spacecraft, which could take evasive action, I think the only thing that a space elevator could do is to employ point-defence measures like a laser broom, which would disintegrate smaller particles and "sweep" larger ones off collision course.
The cables are not strong enough to carry themselves. And you are going to add 50000 laser brooms?
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Re: Chinese Satellites

Exclusive: U.S. squeezes French-led satellite maker over China

The United States has threatened action that could disrupt a French-led satellite maker's supply chain, spurred by suspicion that it illegally used U.S. know-how or parts in spacecraft launched by Chinese rockets.

The State Department last month quietly warned the company, Thales Alenia Space, that export licenses needed by its U.S. suppliers might be denied, absent greater cooperation in an investigation of the matter, a department email obtained by Reuters showed.

License refusals could crimp the 2 billion euros ($2.65 billion) in worldwide civil and military sales that the company, known as TAS, posted in 2010.

They also could force a costly product-line revamp and strain U.S. ties with France.

The threat escalates the United States' multi-year push for details on the design and components of a watershed telecommunications satellite that TAS has labeled as free of U.S. parts and therefore exempt from U.S. export controls.

The State Department holds that the satellite is not free of license-requiring U.S. parts, and that TAS illegally exported it to China, according to a department summary of actions in the case provided to two congressional committees.

The issue is especially sensitive because U.S. intelligence officials have accused Beijing of wide-ranging covert efforts to steal U.S. technology secrets for economic and military advantage over the United States.

Washington bars satellites containing U.S. parts and U.S. design know-how from launch by China as part of sanctions imposed after the 1989 crushing of the pro-democracy movement at Beijing's Tiananmen Square.

Such U.S. technology is subject to so-called International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR, a set of State Department-enforced rules governing arms trade.

TAS describes its Spacebus 4000C2 as the West's first commercial communications satellite without so much as a U.S. bolt, screw or piece of insulation subject to U.S. control. The company said it has sold eight such "unrestricted" satellites to international customers, five of them already launched by China with the other three to follow.

LICENSE DENIALS

The U.S. warning of possible export-license denials was contained in a January 24 letter to TAS, a joint venture of France's Thales Group, which owns 67 percent, and Italy's Finmeccanica SpA Group, 33 percent.

The letter acknowledged TAS's position that a French "blocking" law limits the company's ability to cooperate with U.S. investigators.

The law bars data release that could undercut French sovereignty or be used in administrative or judicial proceedings abroad.

But the letter, as described by State Department officials in an emailed memo to U.S. congressional staff, urged TAS to reconsider its stance and hand over more data on the makeup of the satellite billed as exempt from U.S. licensing requirements.

Failure to provide the information within 30 days "would lead to consideration of license denials," said the memo obtained by Reuters. It said the department had sought the data over the past two years.

This opens the way for possible blanket denials that could be "a big blow" to the Thales Group and to its U.S. suppliers, said George Grammas, who leads the international trade and export controls practice at Squire Sanders, a law firm. Grammas has served on an industry panel that advises the State Department on defense trade issues.

The Thales Group, headquartered in Neuilly-sur-Seine, generates close to 80 percent of its sales outside France, with operations in 50 countries, according to information on its website.

Export denials to a rival could be a boost to U.S. manufacturers such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Orbital Sciences and Space Systems/Loral, a unit of Loral Space & Communications , that have lost as much as half their global satellite market share in recent years

The U.S. share of global satellite exports has dropped from about 75 percent in 1995 to between 35 percent and 50 percent in the past seven years, according to Patricia Cooper, president of the Satellite Industry Association, a U.S.-based trade group.

ITAR-FREE

Edgar Buckley, a Thales Group senior vice president and former NATO assistant secretary-general, said in an emailed statement to Reuters this week that TAS is trying to help the State Department "to resolve any outstanding concerns it may have."

A French Embassy spokesman in Washington, Luis Vassy, said the embassy had been involved both to "explain the regulations in place in France with regard to the protection of sensitive items and technologies, and to detail the steps taken to make sure no restricted item or technology imported is unduly exported to a third party."

"To our knowledge, no violation by TAS has been observed on ITAR components," he said by email.

The new U.S. squeeze on TAS followed a December 20 letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton from Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, chairwoman of the U.S. House of Representatives' Foreign Affairs Committee, and two fellow senior Republican lawmakers.

"We are concerned that the department is not moving aggressively enough to punish violations of" ITAR, the letter said.

The State Department is continuing to look into U.S. exports to TAS to determine whether the company improperly bundled U.S.-controlled technology into the satellites marketed as "ITAR free," a department official said.

Department officials have been meeting with TAS and "continue gathering information with an eye toward resolution of this matter," the official said.

American is getting sillier and sillier ... more and more countries will avoid American parts and technology ... so many countries now more than capable doing that. At the end of the day, American companies will suffer most and ending up more more unemployment. Also more and more American companies will move to other countries
 

Hyperwarp

Captain
Re: Chinese Satellites

...

Quickie, I was alive in 1969. I saw the whole thing on TV. My pops had his Ham radio on in the garage and watched the TV...I'm not making anything up. The Soviets monitored the whole she-bang..

It was real..it happened.

Wow! You don't look a day over 20 :p
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top