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China to launch first comprehensive solar probe​


By Zhang Zhihao | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2022-07-11 22:17

China will launch its first comprehensive solar probe, the Advanced Space-based Solar Observatory, in October, opening a new chapter in the country's exploration of the sun, according to the National Astronomical Observatory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

From Monday to July 24, the research institute is gathering suggestions from the public for names to give the milestone instrument, which weighs 888 kilograms and will operate in a synchronous orbit of the sun at around 720 kilometers.

The satellite is equipped with three payloads, namely the All-Solar Vector Magnetic Imager, the Lyman Alpha Solar Telescope and the Solar Hard X-ray Imager. It is the culmination of over five years of work by Chinese scientists and engineers and is set to operate for more than four years.

Its goal is to study solar flares and coronal mass ejections, two of the most violent phenomena on the sun, as well as examining the star's magnetic field. These undertakings will yield valuable insights on severe space weather critical for the safe operation of instruments in orbit and electronic infrastructure on the ground.

Although the sun is about 150 million kilometers from Earth, its activities can generate high-energy particles that fly across space, many of which can reach Earth's atmosphere and affect a variety of technological systems.

In October 2003, the planet saw some of the most powerful solar storms in history that disrupted aircraft, research satellites and global positioning systems, later dubbed the Halloween Storms of 2003.
 

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CNY850mln = USD126mln seems pretty steep for the Shenzhou capsule. Isn't the Soyuz MS capsule only like $23m per unit?
It gets worse, Crew dragon costs only ~60 million per seat and it's a private company making hefty profit with every launch not to mention the recovery of second stage as well, I hope there's more to it if not corruption is a possibility
 

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It gets worse, Crew dragon costs only ~60 million per seat and it's a private company making hefty profit with every launch not to mention the recovery of second stage as well, I hope there's more to it if not corruption is a possibility

SpaceX charges $60M per seat with 4x seats for ~$240M per mission (this includes launch vehicle and spacecraft). Call the launch vehicle ~60M and you get about $180M for the spacecraft and all mission support.

Keep in mind that SpaceX is reusing Dragon, so that $180M is the amortized cost across a few (unknown final number) flights and includes initial build plus refurbishment between flights. So $120M for Shenzhou by itself does seem a bit high when you factor in Chinese vs US labor, but not too absurd.

Spacecraft are generally pretty expensive given the complexity and incredibly tight packaging, I think it's more surprising how cheap Soyuz is vs how expensive the Chinese are.
 

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SpaceX charges $60M per seat with 4x seats for ~$240M per mission (this includes launch vehicle and spacecraft). Call the launch vehicle ~60M and you get about $180M for the spacecraft and all mission support.

Keep in mind that SpaceX is reusing Dragon, so that $180M is the amortized cost across a few (unknown final number) flights and includes initial build plus refurbishment between flights. So $120M for Shenzhou by itself does seem a bit high when you factor in Chinese vs US labor, but not too absurd.

Spacecraft are generally pretty expensive given the complexity and incredibly tight packaging, I think it's more surprising how cheap Soyuz is vs how expensive the Chinese are.
But SpaceX has to make a profit CNSA doesn't need to logically it should be cheaper
 

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But SpaceX has to make a profit CNSA doesn't need to logically it should be cheaper
SpaceX actually doesn't need to make a profit, nor is it likely to be actually making a profit. Profitable companies don't do additional and continuous rounds of external fund raising. They can finance operations from their own profits.

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They had Series J funding in 2019 (and other series funding every year) and undisclosed additional funding as late as 2021.
 

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SpaceX actually doesn't need to make a profit, nor is it likely to be actually making a profit. Profitable companies don't do additional and continuous rounds of external fund raising. They can finance operations from their own profits.

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They had Series J funding in 2019 (and other series funding every year) and undisclosed additional funding as late as 2021.
Tbf they are spending a lot on Starship and Star link projects any rough idea on how much profit they make per Falcon 9 launch?
 
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