China's Space Program News Thread

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Helius

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Yes as said before, that's not a fair comparison. Yes the Chinese space station could be less messy because wires are routed better, but not to the degree shown there. That picture was taken before the first set of crews even got on board. If you watched the more recent videos it's already gotten messier.
Also to be fair to where the CSS is currently at, the SZ-14 crew are in the middle of preparing for an upcoming Tianzhou detachment-reattachment manoeuvre, as well as the soon-to-follow lab module installations. So they've been re-shuffling a lot of cargo and equipment in preparation for those operations -


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So clutter is to be expected as opposed to what a 'normal' working environment might eventually look like once the CSS has been fully-constructed and operable, which ofc we won't know until then.
 

eprash

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Also to be fair to where the CSS is currently at, the SZ-14 crew are in the middle of preparing for an upcoming Tianzhou detachment-reattachment manoeuvre, as well as the soon-to-follow lab module installations. So they've been re-shuffling a lot of cargo and equipment in preparation for those operations -


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So clutter is to be expected as opposed to what a 'normal' working environment might eventually look like once the CSS has been fully-constructed and operable, which ofc we won't know until then.
Yup Let's wait and see but even if CSS ends up messier it doesn't make it any less impressive, It's a lab not a hotel
 

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Also worth pointing out it's every intention of the astronauts to keep the ISS tidy, clutter-free and especially free from exposed wires. It's a balancing act between time and efficiency. Just because it's a space lab doesn't mean it's logical to have a 'messy' work space.

In fact clutter is indeed an issue the ISS regularly has to deal with -
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Cable Routing Video Survey: Today, to decongest some of the clutter of cables built up across the ISS over the years, the crew took a video survey of key areas in Lab, Node 1, Node 2, and Node 3. Ground teams will take the survey and the crew recommendation for rerouting and will create a procedure to reroute and remove unnecessary cabling. The cable reroute should help the crew as they work on science and complete maintenance and increase the lighting onboard.

Here's what a supposed operations officer at NASA says about the matter -
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I'm a former Operation Support Officer (OSO). That is the Mission Control position in charge of maintenance. We are also in charge various random equipment inside Station like covers, panels, racks, and stowage bags.

Pretty much every response to this thread is wrong. It was the intention to have everything inside the modules be very neat, with everything hidden inside racks or behind covers. I went to many meetings to discuss covers and how to keep things neat.

It was always the goal to keep things neat.

Some of the wrong reasons mentioned in this thread:

Maintenance- there are very few possible failures that would need immediate access to the equipment for repair. There are so many redundancies on the station that if a piece of equipment fails, they just shut off power to that unit, and schedule a time to repair it at some point in the future. Wires are not left exposed to facilitate quick repairs. In fact exposed wires greatly increases the chances of something breaking. Also, most seriously time critical maintenance would require the racks to quickly be rotated out of the way, and clutter makes that task slower.

Weight: this is a reasonable guess, but also not correct. Many different covers and other means of stowage have been launched into orbit. It was definitely the goal to keep everything neat, and the equipment was launched to make that possible. Just take a look at video from Mir to see why NASA was so concerned about making things neat.

The real reason it is messy is because of time. Astronauts are very busy. They want to be as efficient as possible. This means when they install a new experiment or piece of gear, they will do enough work to make it functional, but they won't spend the extra time necessary to make it super neat. Of course there is a trade off. If you spend too much time making things tidy, you are inefficient. If things get to messy, you become inefficient (see Mir). So it is a balancing act. In my opinion, the astronauts are too messy. My guess is that the folks in Mission Control (I'm not there anymore) think they are too messy. But the astronauts are the ones doing the job, and they have some leeway in how it gets done.

I wrote maintenance procedures for on-orbit repairs. I would include all the steps for the repair, including how to keep things neat. I was told by astronauts reviewing the procedures that those steps would most likely be ignored. We kept the steps in our procedures, but we can't force them to follow all the steps.

The last paragraph, I think, is particularly interesting in that NASA does seem to allow the astronauts a fair degree of autonomy on how they think is the best use of their time to perform a given task, even to the point of not following recommended procedures if deemed unnecessary to do so.

... Which does raise an interesting question as to how strictly and to what extent the Taikonauts would follow mission control's instructions/guidelines, and under what circumstances, specifically on station maintenance and upkeep, would mission control defer to the Taikonauts' own judgment, if at all.
 
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China is going to launch its first "space-based solar observatory" in Oct, 2022. The Chinese space agency is seeking names for this spacecraft from astronomy fans all over the world.

The observatory will focus on watching the solar magnetic field, solar flares and coronal mass ejection.

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中国首颗综合性太阳探测专用卫星全球征名:易于传播有科学内涵​

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北京7月11日电 (记者 孙自法)关于和地球、人类生存发展息息相关的太阳,中国古代就有夸父追日、后羿射日的神话传说。如今,中国首颗综合性太阳探测专用卫星“先进天基太阳天文台”(Advanced Space-based Solar Observatory,ASO-S)计划今年10月发射,将开启中国探测太阳的新征程。
中国首颗综合性太阳探测专用卫星“先进天基太阳天文台”以“一磁两暴”为科学目标,“一磁”指的是太阳磁场,大部分的太阳活动都直接受到太阳磁场的支配,而“两暴”指的是太阳上两类最剧烈的爆发现象,即太阳耀斑和日冕物质抛射。

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The artist's rendering of the observatory in space.

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An excerpt from a planning document. Shenzhou manned spacecraft's per unit cost is RMB 850 million, and per unit cost of Tianzhou cargo spacecraft is RMb 350 million. Orders for Shenzhou and Tianzhou are 7 units and 10 units, respectively.

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An overview/flowchart of the life support and environmental control system of the Chinese space station. Notably, the system breaks down urine using electrolysis to produce hydrogen and oxygen, with the hydrogen then used in CO2 reduction and water production.

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China has unfurled a de-orbiting sail attached to a Long March 2D rocket. The sail will allow the spent launch vehicle to safely return to earth in two years. This is the first time a de-orbiting sail has been used on a launch vehicle (as opposed to satellites) anywhere in the world. The sail has an area of 25 square meters, with the thickness of the sail being less than 1/10 of human hair. Due to its extremely compact design when folded, the sail can be easily retrofitted to existing launch vehicles and spacecrafts.

Interesting, previously we heard that the sail was used to deorbit the "launch vehicle" (assumed they meant 2nd stage) but now this newer article specifies that it's the payload adapter (a much smaller component located on top of the 2nd stage). They mention that the sail enables a 661 pound device to reenter, which is definitely too light to be an entire stage.

The sail enables the 661-pound device to reenter the Earth’s atmosphere faster, according to
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I suppose this makes sense as the second stage can just do a propulsive deorbit burn as is usually done with other rockets and then they can use the sail to bring down the adapter. Though makes me wonder why they are detaching the adapter from the second stage in the first place, normally you just detach each satellite as needed and leave the payload adapter on the stage.
 

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An excerpt from a planning document. Shenzhou manned spacecraft's per unit cost is RMB 850 million, and per unit cost of Tianzhou cargo spacecraft is RMb 350 million. Orders for Shenzhou and Tianzhou are 7 units and 10 units, respectively.

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CNY850mln = USD126mln seems pretty steep for the Shenzhou capsule. Isn't the Soyuz MS capsule only like $23m per unit?
 
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