China's SCS Strategy Thread

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ToughWinding

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The collision video has been taken down from Chinese internet. I don't understand what's the big deal of it,it's just an accident. Military units accidentally hit by friendly fire all the time all around the world,the is no shame about it.
China’s political stability measures work like this: as long as something might undermine public confidence, its spread must be contained.
You and I might both think the matter is harmless, but China’s government clearly doesn’t believe all Chinese netizens would share that view, especially given that most Chinese people are politically apathetic.
 

4Tran

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The collision video has been taken down from Chinese internet. I don't understand what's the big deal of it,it's just an accident. Military units accidentally hit by friendly fire all the time all around the world,the is no shame about it.
I doubt that it's a permanent measure. News of the incident are widespread enough that it's impossible to hide for very long. The PLA is probably trying to figure out what their response will be, and allow the video to go back up when they have a proper response formulated.

This statement is inaccurate. During the Ming Dynasty, China remained highly proactive in expanding its sphere of influence and territorial boundaries.
Qianlong also famously conquered Xinjiang. It's not as if the Qing were incapable of decisive military action, but it depends on who is the leader at the time, and what kind of prevailing political realities they have to deal with.
 

daifo

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The PLAN ships should of been around only as a outer guard against other naval ships getting involved or general support. The expulsion enforcement tactics should of been executed by ships/crew that have been trained in those tactics like coast guard or low crew militia boats that can play chicken.

Here is a graph of what supposely happen


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Blitzo

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Uh no. I am saying and have been saying all along that the Filipino crew had no reason (such as getting blasted) not to approach the destroyer if they saw an tactical advantage to do so. We both already agreed that they wouldn't get blasted, and we both agreed that the Filipino crew most likely came to the same conclusion. The end.

You asked about "real consequences". If you are rating "use of lethal force" as the only means of fuilfilling that criteria, then I don't think we have any basis to continue this element of discussion.


Let's us do a little recap. In the beginning, you pin the blame entirely on the destroyer's CO stating you were "not going to rule out the possibility of a CO being gung-ho".

I did not "pin the blame entirely on the destroyer's CO" -- I said that we cannot rule out the possibility that the CO was at fault.


Afterward, you claimed the destroyer should have "extradited itself" which is basically the same as running away. Now you expected the destroyer should not have shown up or at least stay at the horizon. Forgive me for being blunt but this is sign of poor reasoning and we are wasting our time.

On the contrary I don't think we are wasting our time -- you seem to be trying to come up with any number of scenarios in which the destroyer could have justified its presence in this fray.
Instead, the safest and most logical way for a proper naval destroyer to be utilized in this setting to be at standoff distances and avoid physical engagement to begin with. Their job isn't to play bumper boats in these situations, it is to provide overwatch and to keep a safe distance, and yes that means to run away if needed.


At least you seem to have gave up that ridiculous "gung-ho" CO scenario, so progress I guess?

No, that scenario very much remains viable.
I am saying that the destroyer should not have been in that situation in the first place, and the fact that it was in that situation is either the fault of bad rules of engagement, or the CO's poor judgement or outright disobeying rules of engagement (aka CO being gung-ho).

Between the options of "bad rules of engagement" versus "CO poor judgement/disobeying rules of engagement" (aka CO being gung-ho), the more concerning option would be the "bad rules of engagement" possibility.

If it was a CO making a poor judgement then that is not necessarily a huge issue, as the CO can simply be replaced. If it is bad rules of engagement, then it means the high level commanders and even politicians are at fault.



So, no. While I agree that the destroyer shouldn't be in that situation, the responsibility of the destroyer is to carry out its orders, whatever they may be. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your argument seems to be the "bad rules of engagement" possibility then, in which case you've opted to choose for the far more concerning option which is that systemically the PLAN command have poor judgement in the manner with which to utilize their primary high end surface combatants in context of these grey zone bumper boat maritime disputes.
 
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KFX

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Sigh. Looks like my posts in this echo chamber have been deleted. Badge of honour, I guess. Perhaps I just need to parrot what's in Global Times? Or what I see on China's jingoist internet?

Before I leave you guys for good, here's the KFX Plan For Peace in the South China Sea.

1) China abandons the bases it has illegally built on SCS atolls.
2) China abandons 9-dash line claims - they are globally opposed
3) Countries with an SCS interest - Brunei, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam - sit down to hash out claims as equals. Ideally SCS could become a vast nature reserve under international protection.
4) And, to ensure the pro-CCP moderators block me again, China needs to recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state. It is a country and its citizens don't want to be part of China, particularly given how CCP screwed Hong Kong.

If China follows this it will be win-win for all in the new era of common destiny!

Bye!
 

zyklon

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Sigh. Looks like my posts in this echo chamber have been deleted. Badge of honour, I guess. Perhaps I just need to parrot what's in Global Times? Or what I see on China's jingoist internet?

Before I leave you guys for good, here's the KFX Plan For Peace in the South China Sea.

1) China abandons the bases it has illegally built on SCS atolls.
2) China abandons 9-dash line claims - they are globally opposed
3) Countries with an SCS interest - Brunei, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam - sit down to hash out claims as equals. Ideally SCS could become a vast nature reserve under international protection.
4) And, to ensure the pro-CCP moderators block me again, China needs to recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state. It is a country and its citizens don't want to be part of China, particularly given how CCP screwed Hong Kong.

If China follows this it will be win-win for all in the new era of common destiny!

Bye!

Your work is reasonably well known here. One might even say you have some fans on this board.

You really ought to formally introduce yourself so the community can give you the recognition you deserve, Collin!
 

GodRektsNoobs

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Sigh. Looks like my posts in this echo chamber have been deleted. Badge of honour, I guess. Perhaps I just need to parrot what's in Global Times? Or what I see on China's jingoist internet?

Before I leave you guys for good, here's the KFX Plan For Peace in the South China Sea.

1) China abandons the bases it has illegally built on SCS atolls.
2) China abandons 9-dash line claims - they are globally opposed
3) Countries with an SCS interest - Brunei, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam - sit down to hash out claims as equals. Ideally SCS could become a vast nature reserve under international protection.
4) And, to ensure the pro-CCP moderators block me again, China needs to recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state. It is a country and its citizens don't want to be part of China, particularly given how CCP screwed Hong Kong.

If China follows this it will be win-win for all in the new era of common destiny!

Bye!
Feel free to leave this "echo chamber" as you like. But keep in mind, if there is a single thing that Chinese people hate the most, it's letting foreign powers which have no clue about China and its history dictate to the Chinese people what to do. The Chinese people will carve out their own destiny, whether you like it or not. Now go along and have a nice day.
 

萌萌与猫猫

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Sigh. Looks like my posts in this echo chamber have been deleted. Badge of honour, I guess. Perhaps I just need to parrot what's in Global Times? Or what I see on China's jingoist internet?

Before I leave you guys for good, here's the KFX Plan For Peace in the South China Sea.

1) China abandons the bases it has illegally built on SCS atolls.
2) China abandons 9-dash line claims - they are globally opposed
3) Countries with an SCS interest - Brunei, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam - sit down to hash out claims as equals. Ideally SCS could become a vast nature reserve under international protection.
4) And, to ensure the pro-CCP moderators block me again, China needs to recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state. It is a country and its citizens don't want to be part of China, particularly given how CCP screwed Hong Kong.

If China follows this it will be win-win for all in the new era of common destiny!

Bye!
 
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KFX

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LMAO if the "CCP" and the thought of Chinese people becoming better off triggers you so much that you have to resort to lies and made-up numbers, well, be prepared to be more triggered in the future, I guess. There is plenty more coming!
The Chinese people are awesome: it's the CCP that's the real villian in all this. Tip: use your VPN, and look up Land Reform, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, and Tiananmen Massacre. Also, get your hands on this book: The Private Life of Chairman Mao. In 1972 he was visited by Japanes PM (in the wake of Nixon's visit), who apologised for WWII atrocities. "Don't worry about it," replied Mao. "If not for Japan's invasion we never would have beat the Nationalists."
 

zyklon

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And, if Xi starts a war in the SCS or over Taiwan, the amount of blood on the CCP's hands will only grow. It's not foreigners that Chinese have to worry about, but the CCP. Sigh, I can feel the deletion coming...

That's your fault for posting in the wrong thread and violating forum rules. You should know better!

If we're to get back on topic, are supposed experts on the South China Sea like yourself still being actively targeted by
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Hope you aren't butthurt because the PLACSF hasn't shown you more attention and affection. ;)
 
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