China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Bellum_Romanum]

Sinophobia is now actively being promoted both in Philippine mainstream media and social media. @ansy1968 how are the Chinese-Filpinos being affected by this recent instigation of hatred? Its pretty obvious this initiative is not the creation of the Philippine government but by its NATO sponsors.

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Filipinos are highly ignorant, not well versed in history but their steeped in filtered histiography of American benevolence and WWII romanticism that they are forever indebted to the Americans.

For a country that never managed to scare the living daylights of their colonizers from Spain to America the Filipinos somehow portray themselves as A WARRIOR RACE boosted by the flattery provided by their patron Saint and savior Gen. Douglas MacArthur ( Give me 10,000 Filipino soldiers and I'll conquer the world... Nonsense). Plus, the oft-cited battle of Yultong by Filipinos on social media add to the ridiculous amount of fantasy that the Philippine military can readily take on the Chinese PLA or any Chinese man, woman, for that matter. Quite literally, most of these folks are not scared of China or any Chinese person due to Filipino ignorance of China its martial history, economic and technological development that's on par and ahead on some key technologies to the U.S.

The Filipinos being low I.Q. Dummies never even thought about the MASSIVE ECONOMIC downturn and costs it'll bring to the Philippines if it goes to war against China, why? They mostly probably arrogantly ASSUME that the U.S. Of today has the same economic and military dominance like it did back post WWII. That the U. S. will bravely die to the last Filipinos and bear all the necessary costs with little to no consequence to the Philippine bank account. In most of these people's mind, America will bail their assess both figuratively and literally hence the logic of the recent surveys where 73% of Pinoys are more than eager to go to war with China.

 

[ansy1968]

Filipinos are highly ignorant, not well versed in history but their steeped in filtered histiography of American benevolence and WWII romanticism that they are forever indebted to the Americans.

For a country that never managed to scare the living daylights of their colonizers from Spain to America the Filipinos somehow portray themselves as A WARRIOR RACE boosted by the flattery provided by their patron Saint and savior Gen. Douglas MacArthur ( Give me 10,000 Filipino soldiers and I'll conquer the world... Nonsense). Plus, the oft-cited battle of Yultong by Filipinos on social media add to the ridiculous amount of fantasy that the Philippine military can readily take on the Chinese PLA or any Chinese man, woman, for that matter. Quite literally, most of these folks are not scared of China or any Chinese person due to Filipino ignorance of China its martial history, economic and technological development that's on par and ahead on some key technologies to the U.S.

The Filipinos being low I.Q. Dummies never even thought about the MASSIVE ECONOMIC downturn and costs it'll bring to the Philippines if it goes to war against China, why? They mostly probably arrogantly ASSUME that the U.S. Of today has the same economic and military dominance like it did back post WWII. That the U. S. will bravely die to the last Filipinos and bear all the necessary costs with little to no consequence to the Philippine bank account. In most of these people's mind, America will bail their assess both figuratively and literally hence the logic of the recent surveys where 73% of Pinoys are more than eager to go to war with China.

Well you know bro I had an argument with a well educated executive of a well know Travel agency in an airline event, within the table the conversation turn to China and the SCS, she started a monologue of Chinese transgression and I ask her a simple question, compared to the American had the Chinese killed any Filipinos since the established of the first republic in 1899. She struggle to answer and Everybody in the table was shock, my wife whisper to me to tone it down. You know what her answer, since it hurt her pride being one of the elite in the table "it's okay because its the American and we need to be civilized" jaw dropped and everybody felt unease. Its a common story, women usually talks a lot of nonsense and we Filipino men being a gentleman just let it slide, we don't want to be identify and called as sexist. Women empowerment is a western concept, yes we need to emancipate them BUT within our bounds and culture. Importing such nonsense is a way for the Collective West to seize control, women are easily sway and once in power are very ideologue and pigheaded, mix in with religion we had a concoction mix of ideological craziness. You can see it a lot in the Collective West, Hillary Clinton is one of them, Cursula Von der Lying is another and the most extreme Annalena "360" Baerbock.

 

[zbb]

"it's okay because its the American and we need to be civilized"

The response to that should be "it's okay because its the Chinese and we need to be decolonized"

 

[ansy1968]

The response to that should be "it's okay because its the Chinese and we need to be decolonized"

Given the chance again I'll definitely say that BUT the way it ended, I think an invitation will be hard coming, they may have blacklist me from any future event.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

Its okay, Philippines are not that dumb, that's why you have the Duterte faction which is quite neutral regarding US vs China. Duterte faction made a mistake by supporting Marcos in the election but I think they r still a powerful force. They will come back in the next Election. Moreover, Marcos is basically passive aggressive. He and Philippines force shout to score domestic points by being anti-China. But they do not dare to take big action. So, this conflict will just simmer without boiling into a war. We might get another 2012 Scarborough shoal level crisis, but that's it. I expect PH to back down. They r already backing down actually. They were sending many missions to the 2TS in the beginning of the year. Now they have learned their lesson after getting water cannoned.

Their whole strategy is to rely on US. If US does not play ball then they can only shout and do more court cases. Plus, I expect US to give them more military aid. So, more shiny weapons for Philippines for free.

 

[ansy1968]

Its okay, Philippines are not that dumb, that's why you have the Duterte faction which is quite neutral regarding US vs China. Duterte faction made a mistake by supporting Marcos in the election but I think they r still a powerful force. They will come back in the next Election. Moreover, Marcos is basically passive aggressive. He and Philippines force shout to score domestic points by being anti-China. But they do not dare to take big action. So, this conflict will just simmer without boiling into a war. We might get another 2012 Scarborough shoal level crisis, but that's it. I expect PH to back down. They r already backing down actually. They were sending many missions to the 2TS in the beginning of the year. Now they have learned their lesson after getting water cannoned.

Bro thanks for the confidence and to answer you honestly we just don't indulged ourselves in such idle talk because we're busy and those who had the time are mostly lazy and unemployed. Some do it to be noticed and become influencers, you need a sensational topic to be noticed, covering the economic malaise bring negative revenue. So how many are those true Anti-China crowd that are willing to enlist and fight China? NONE, why would they join an ill equipment army with spartan or non exist basic ration supply. You know how the Filipino soldiers operate in the field, with 10 can of sardines and a bag of rice as ration to be share with 10 soldiers for a week, they were told to lived off the land until supplies arrived which are the main target of the insurgent forces because those supply reinforcement are easy soft target.

Their whole strategy is to rely on US. If US does not play ball then they can only shout and do more court cases. Plus, I expect US to give them more military aid. So, more shiny weapons for Philippines for free.

Yup we were given 2nd hand junk surplus weapons thru FMA (foreign Military Assistance) as grant, others are being sold like the F16 BUT with the price of the surplus aircraft given by the US the Philippine Air Force are looking at buying brand new Gripen instead which is a little bit cheaper.

Dependency is one of US basic strategy with little investment, once established you can milk it dry and serve your purpose. It's like a drug lord dealing with his victim who can't escape the habit and need an intervention.

And one more, the American don't trust us because we ain't white, they don't give us the advance weapons unless they're the one who operate it, their reason is that we don't have the wherewithal to operate those Hi tech Weapon system and thus necessitate their demand to add new bases for them to operate.

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[GenghisCant]

I agree
My point was, Its not just Marcos or US backed puppets The whole nation is eager for a war with China

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I am very skeptical of OCTA research especially after they concluded last month that Sara Duterte's approval rating dipped below Marcos Jr.. It contrasts the more reliable and established surveys like SWS and Pulse which has Sara firmly above Marcos. Something tells me OCTA got bought and this survey is warped to make it seem like they have manufactured consent. That 73% figure seems exaggerated, and I would put that number around 55-60% instead, still a majority but not as extreme as OCTA wants to say. Needless to say, Former president Duterte is still pretty popular across the board, especially in Mindanao. A lot of Duterte supporters who were bamboozled by Marcos are pretty livid about his 180 degree turn in foreign policy. Marcos has been actively trying to smear the Dutertes but try as they might, a lot of Duterte loyalists who had voted for Marcos, are not having it. Duterte and the "REAL" opposition need to lay it on the public that Marcos is doing a terrible job. Philippines has been unable to bring in FDI relative to the rest of ASEAN, and is even seeing a flight of foreign capital. Meanwhile, this idiot president is going around the world only managing to acquire empty pledges.

@ansy1968 it's really starting to make sense why they're going hard after Quiboloy and SMNI. Let me preface that I am not a fan of Quiboloy and his church, but he and SMNI are Duterte loyalists, and thus represent the section of Philippine media that might sharply criticize Marcos. They're the only media outlet that stands in the way of Americans and Marcos Jr. controlling the overall narrative in the SCS.

 

[ansy1968]

I am very skeptical of OCTA research especially after they concluded last month that Sara Duterte's approval rating dipped below Marcos Jr.. It contrasts the more reliable and established surveys like SWS and Pulse which has Sara firmly above Marcos. Something tells me OCTA got bought and this survey is warped to make it seem like they have manufactured consent. That 73% figure seems exaggerated, and I would put that number around 55-60% instead, still a majority but not as extreme as OCTA wants to say. Needless to say, Former president Duterte is still pretty popular across the board, especially in Mindanao. A lot of Duterte supporters who were bamboozled by Marcos are pretty livid about his 180 degree turn in foreign policy. Marcos has been actively trying to smear the Dutertes but try as they might, a lot of Duterte loyalists who had voted for Marcos, are not having it. Duterte and the "REAL" opposition need to lay it on the public that Marcos is doing a terrible job. Philippines has been unable to bring in FDI relative to the rest of ASEAN, and is even seeing a flight of foreign capital. Meanwhile, this idiot president is going around the world only managing to acquire empty pledges.

@ansy1968 it's really starting to make sense why they're going hard after Quiboloy and SMNI. Let me preface that I am not a fan of Quiboloy and his church, but he and SMNI are Duterte loyalists, and thus represent the section of Philippine media that might sharply criticize Marcos. They're the only media outlet that stands in the way of Americans and Marcos Jr. controlling the overall narrative in the SCS.

Bro Quiboloy had a lot of dirty dealings therefore is vulnerable, he is NO angel in fact SMNI is his vehicle to gain political influence so I've no sympathy for him. He is Not a nationalist, he's an opportunist and corrupt to the core. Many criticized Duterte for letting the fake pastor influence him BUT its the other way around, the elder Duterte need an outlet to outline his program and policy especially to the masses. The traditional Oligarch control MSM will not cover it.

There are many Youtubers that are critical of Marcos policy, many of them had served under BBM and are disgruntled, one is Vic Del Rosario Marcos former Chief of Staff, he was made a scapegoat early on for Marcos appointment blunders, another is Trixie Cruz Angeles the former Press Secretary who can't stomach the lies being perpetuate. Both had a common complain, aside from being incompetent, Marcos is being heavily influence by his Wife and is the one running the show.

 

[Wenren]

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This interview of Mahathir sums up quite nice how most of ASEAN views the SCS issue. We have been in China's backyard for centuries and understand how to co-exist. Doesn't stop the West from trying to stir trouble and encourage the more hot-blooded elements of our societies to go looking for an unecessary fight.

 

[Sardaukar20]

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This interview of Mahathir sums up quite nice how most of ASEAN views the SCS issue. We have been in China's backyard for centuries and understand how to co-exist. Doesn't stop the West from trying to stir trouble and encourage the more hot-blooded elements of our societies to go looking for an unecessary fight.

Link is broken. This is an alternative link to the Nikkei article:

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I personally despise Dr Mahathir, he is still a hardcore Sinophobic racist. This guy speaks one thing to the world and then does another thing at home, a typical hypocrite. But for this current article, I do agree with his view. Maybe he had long accepted that China is already unstoppable in Asia. Mahathir was right, China was relatively passive with its SCS claims as long as nobody heats up the SCS dispute. Every SEA nation that has a dispute with China in the SCS can still enjoy access to it as long as they keep things cordial and peaceful. Duterte-era Philippines had some frictions with China, but there were no aggressive coastguard actions on both sides on the levels we see today. Filipino fishermen could still access their claimed waters with minimal interference from China. Now, they could not access them at all without constant CCG harassment. The more Marcos Jr. pushes, the more the Philippines loses. If his big brother decides to intervene, then the SCS will instantly become a warzone and the Filipinos will truly lose safe access. There are no victory scenarios for the PH in escalation.

Nikkei tries to refute Mahathir's statement by saying that the Malaysian government does not accept China's claim in the SCS. But that is the same with all claimants in the SCS. Nobody accepts each other's claims, but nobody is gonna go to war about it. Officially that's what they have to do. But unofficially, the SCS is mostly open for access for everyone, except for the troublemakers. Nikkei wants to tell its readers that standing up to China is more important than peaceful ambiguity. I would remind Nikkei that Japan has serious maritime disputes with Russia, China, and the Two Koreas. Should Japan go to war with all of them, because its important to stand up for your claims?