China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Blitzo]

I wonder what's going to happen once that old LST finally disintegrates. Run another aground?

 

[Jura The idiot]

Back on topic (which is the South China Sea disputes in case anyone forgot), Jura linked to a Facebook page with many photos of Spratly Island outposts. The first eight are Vietnamese, the next twelve are Chinese, the next four are from Taiwan-controlled Taiping (Itu Aba) Island, and the last three show the Filipino outpost on a grounded ship.

Geographer, you swapped the numbers for Taiwan and Philippines
my favorite:

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LOL!

 

[Lezt]

Honestly, I don't think it's possible because of the way the CPC was formed. In a way, the CPC itself was a secret society when it was first created, and up until recently, ideological adherence to Marxism was a very important requirement of high-ranking members. Add to that the CPC was vehemently hostile against all forms of old traditions, especially during the Cultural Revolution, I can't see how any secret society could have survived to manipulate the CPC.

Fair enough, its an opinion.

Ancedotally on a side note, Marxism, Ideology was not that "important" to the CCP. When Mao met Stalin in the 50s, Stalin was so shocked about the idea and understanding of Marx from Mao that he had sent a commissar to help tutor Mao. Obviously that didn't turn out that well, and now we have Maoism. Just one of those funny ancedotes of life, let me see if I can find a source..

 

[delft]

I wonder what's going to happen once that old LST finally disintegrates. Run another aground?

China might salvage the ship and send the bill to Manila.

 

[joshuatree]

I wonder what's going to happen once that old LST finally disintegrates. Run another aground?

China might salvage the ship and send the bill to Manila.

That's part of the reason why the CCG keeps a partial blockade, to prevent the type of supplies that would enable a rebuild of the LST. From what I read online, the LST is resupplied via airdrops and whatever small ships that get to it. This should allow supplies for the Marines' well being but not enough to rebuild the LST.

So the strategy on China's side is to patiently wait for the LST to disintegrate. For the Philippines, it appears they've thrown everything into their court case and hope the LST lasts till then.

 

[A.Man]

It is coming-The South China Sea ADIZ.

在25日的国防部例行记者会上，新闻发言人耿雁生表示，中国对驻守岛礁进行必要的整修、维护、建设以及划设南海防空识别区都是作为主权国家拥有的正当权利。

有记者提问，一段时间以来，中国在南沙岛礁进行作业的新闻引起外界很多猜测，甚至有一些媒体解读为“中国可能划设南海防空识别区的前奏”。请问中国有无在南海划设防空识别区的计划？

耿雁生回应称，中国对南沙群岛及其附近海域拥有主权。中国对驻守岛礁进行必要的整修、维护和建设，是为了更好地捍卫国家主权和领土完整，维护海洋权益，保卫人民和平劳动。这是我们作为主权国家拥有的正当权利。

耿雁生还称，要不要设立防空识别区，在哪里划设，什么时间划设，也是中国作为主权国家拥有的正当权利。

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In a routine press conference on the 25th of Defense, the spokesman Geng Yansheng said China stationed reefs necessary renovations, maintenance, construction and air defense identification zone designation of the South China Sea are a sovereign country with legitimate rights. There are a reporter's question, for some time, China Nansha Islands in news operations arousing a lot of speculation, and even some media interpreted as "China may designate a prelude to the South China Sea air defense identification zone." Will China in the South China Sea, designating whether the planned air defense identification zone? Geng Yansheng responded that China's sovereignty over the Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters. China stationed reefs necessary for renovation, maintenance and construction, in order to better safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding marine rights and interests, to defend the people's peaceful labor. This is what we as a sovereign country with legitimate rights. Geng Yansheng also said not to set up air defense identification zone, where designated, what time designated, but also China as a sovereign state has the legitimate right.

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[xiabonan]

No they never said they're going to.

Original words are "whether or not to set up an ADIZ, or where and when to set it up, are legitimate rights of China as a sovereign nation."

 

[delft]

That's part of the reason why the CCG keeps a partial blockade, to prevent the type of supplies that would enable a rebuild of the LST. From what I read online, the LST is resupplied via airdrops and whatever small ships that get to it. This should allow supplies for the Marines' well being but not enough to rebuild the LST.

So the strategy on China's side is to patiently wait for the LST to disintegrate. For the Philippines, it appears they've thrown everything into their court case and hope the LST lasts till then.

From the way a journalist broke off a part of the wreck this LST is too far gone to be maintained let alone rebuilt.

 

[joshuatree]

Not sure how reliable the info is but it would be a good re-use of equipment.

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Taiwan is considering deploying the obsolete US-built RIM-72C Sea Chaparral to Taiping Island, the largest of the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, Lieutenant General Kao Tien-chung, deputy defense minister, told ruling Kuomintang legislator Lin Yu-fang on Oct. 1, according to our sister newspaper Want Daily.

After the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology modified the Sky Sword II air-to-air missile originally designed for Taiwan's F-CK-1 Ching-kuo fighter into a new version to be launched from naval warships, Lin suggested all RIM-72C Sea Chaparral missiles aboard the Republic of China Navy's six La Fayette-class frigates should be replaced. Lin then said that the defense ministry should then consider deploying missiles to Taiping.

Taiping, also called Itu Aba, is the largest island currently under the administration of Taiwan in the South China Sea. Although Taiwan was not part of the standoff between China and the Philippines over Scarborough Shoal in April 2012 or that between China and Vietnam over a Chinese oil rig deployed near the Paracel Islands in May, Lin suggested Taipei take a tougher stance in defending its territory in the South China Sea. He said that Taipei should not think of the territorial dispute in the South China Sea in the same way as the dispute over the Diaoyutai (Senkaku or Diaoyu) islands in the East China Sea since Taiping is under Taiwan's control.

Other legislators joined Lin to demand the government solidify the defense of Taiping. The island is currently manned by the ROC Coast Guard. This is not enough to defend it from a potential attack from Vietnam however, therefore the defense ministry should deploy more air defense missiles and weapons for anti-amphibious operations to the island, Lin said. At the same time, he suggested the government expand the naval port, airfield and other military facilities on the island.

Without aerial refueling aircraft, the Republic of China Air Force is unable to provide sufficient air support to the Taiping garrison. Vietnam said that it is capable of paralyzing the defense of the island in just 20 minutes. After that, it would take no more than an hour for the Vietnamese military to take control of the island.

 

[joshuatree]

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Taipei, Oct. 8 (CNA) The Coast Guard Administration (CGA) has not ruled out posting 3,000-ton patrol ships at Taiping Island, the largest of the Nansha (Spratly) Islands in the disputed South China Sea, after a pier is completed there in late 2015, CGA deputy chief Cheng Chang-hsiung said Wednesday.

When completed, the pier will be able to accommodate 3,000-ton vessels on its outer side and ships up to 1,000 tons on the inner side, Cheng told lawmakers during a legislative hearing.

After tests are conducted to determine the pier's ability to resist large waves, the CGA may dispatch larger vessels including two recently built 3,000-tons patrol and rescue ships, the Yilan and the Kaohsiung, he said.

The CGA has discussed with the Navy about posting Naval frigates there, though he said no decision has been made on the matter yet.

Located about 1,600 km from the southern port city of Kaohsiung on Taiwan's main island, Taiping Island is the southernmost territory under the control of the Taiwanese government.

It is currently manned by Taiwanese Coast Guard personnel.