China's SCS Strategy Thread

Wrought

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The PLAN doesn't need saving. Taiwan does.

No, Taiwan is already a lost cause. The trick is to win without being crippled. The British won WWII, how much good did it do them? They spent all their strength to achieve it and were quickly replaced at the top. It's not enough to simply defeat the US if the cost is national rejuvenation.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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No, Taiwan is already a lost cause. The trick is to win without being crippled. The British won WWII, how much good did it do them? They spent all their strength to achieve it and were quickly replaced at the top. It's not enough to simply defeat the US if the cost is national rejuvenation.
Without courage and resolve people can push you at sub-war levels until you actually have to war to push back. Being aggressive ironically is safer and less likely to lead to war. See Iran.
 

Wrought

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Without courage and resolve people can push you at sub-war levels until you actually have to war to push back. Being aggressive ironically is safer and less likely to lead to war. See Iran.

Iran is a mixed bag, they neglected their domestic health too much compared to foreign actions. Not sure where their future is heading. I do agree they have been successful in avoiding war, though their reliance on proxies is not something China can really emulate. As for aggression, I think the current level is appropriate for deterrence purposes. There's no need for more aggressive actions as advocated by others here.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Iran is a mixed bag, they neglected their domestic health too much compared to foreign actions. Not sure where their future is heading. I do agree they have been successful in avoiding war, though their reliance on proxies is not something China can really emulate.
They're also willing to escalate tit for tat directly like when their oil tanker got stolen they physically took it back later.

They're playing a bad hand well.

Contrast to other Middle Eastern countries with oil that were put in the same situation, Iraq and Libya. Both tried to appease the west while maintaining their independence by being transparent, complying and not fighting to the death. They failed and are now bombed out shitholes.
 

Wrought

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They're also willing to escalate tit for tat directly like when their oil tanker got stolen they physically took it back later.

They're playing a bad hand well.

Contrast to other Middle Eastern countries with oil that were put in the same situation, Iraq and Libya. Both tried to appease the west while maintaining their independence by being transparent, complying and not fighting to the death. They failed and are now bombed out shitholes.

Yet they allowed Soleimani's death to go more or less unanswered. They also just recently
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after three US casualties. And it's that restraint which makes your statement true, but not in the way you intended. They are playing a bad hand well, they aren't overplaying it by openly pushing for conflict or nukes.
 

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Yet they allowed Soleimani's death to go more or less unanswered. They also just recently reined in their proxies in Iraq after three US casualties. And it's that restraint which makes your statement true, but not in the way you intended. They are playing a bad hand well, they aren't overplaying it by openly pushing for conflict or nukes.
The Iranians bombed a US base in Iraq with impunity afterwards using their intermediate range missiles and showed that they could obliterate US presence in the Middle East if they wanted to. But some people still don't seem to have gotten the message. Perhaps it will take the destruction of the US airbase in Qatar for them to get the picture.
 

Wrought

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The Iranians bombed a US base in Iraq with impunity afterwards using their intermediate range missiles and showed that they could obliterate US presence in the Middle East if they wanted to. But some people still don't seem to have gotten the message. Perhaps it will take the destruction of the US airbase in Qatar for them to get the picture.

Ballistic missiles which killed zero people, thanks to advance warning from Iran. It was posturing to demonstrate capability, nothing more. And everyone already knows the US is far more capable than Iran. As far as retaliation goes I'd say it was a pretty weak one given who Soleimani was. Because Iran is, to be blunt, weak compared to the US. But that's the hand they must play, and they were smart to not overplay it.

They won't destroy the US airbase in Qatar for the same reason the Philippines doesn't shoot at CCG. Because it would be a major escalation and the other side holds escalation dominance.
 
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From the tone of your post, looks like you're a fellow Filipino so Mabuhay welcome to the forum. You know how our Media operates, you speak Pretty English you set for life...lol. He is a professor of my Alma Mater DLSU which is where most of the political elites and oligarchy beside Ateneo De Manila were educated. Those 2 schools plus UST were operated by the church so you can see how deep they have brainwashed our youth.
Thanks bro. I’m actually a Filipino diaspora in the US (moved here as a child) but unlike a lot of Filipinos living here, I have made myself aware of Filipino history, society and politics. So along with that, awareness to American-Filipino geopolitical relationship. All I can say is that it’s sad for an “independent” country to willingly vassalize itself like the Philippines all on the basis of history that has been doctored and warped. We have never really achieved independence.
Talking about the left (CPP NPA) I'm disappointed, they were being coopted by the elites. I'm expecting a strong opposition from them with daily rallies as they used to do, now as Marcos extend EDCA they were meek as a mouse, they were paid off and become an agent of CIA. Maybe it was due to the death of Joma Sison their chief ideologue or the left had become the new right as we lived in a clown world where principle and ideology are being cast away or sold to the highest bidder.
I had held this belief that for all its flaws, incompetence and some hypocrisy, the CPP-NPA was at least the real nationalists in the country—and I use that term loosely for Filipinos who put Filipino interests at the fore. Boy was I wrong. It looks like America has gotten to virtually every sector of Philippine society. They’re almost as bad as the Filipino liberals who suddenly went silent when Marcos Jr. did a 180 degrees on his foreign policy from taking a more nuanced approach to just completely selling out to the US. You might be right with Joma though, for all my gripe about him, I believe he stood on his principles.
Who will respect us when we voted 2 incompetent feuding Families in Pinoy and BBM as President, a drunkard in Joseph Estrada and a corrupt President in Arroyo who fake apologies makes me puke. Its NO secret that we are being laugh at behind our back, so what can we do? only a violent revolution will change thing BUT do we have the heart to do it?
we never had a real civil war, so that might rectify the wrongs in the Philippines…
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They are viewed AS CHINESE-CCP PROPAGANDISTS with "DUBIOUS" academic credentials according to Rappler which was paid, started, in part by AN AMERICAN Citizen, Filipino person whom recently won the Peace (lol) prize.
Maria Ressa is a mediocre journalist who should be in prison for tax evasion and violating the constitution. The fact that she got acquitted for some of these charges is enough proof that the US has a lot of undue influence in our government.
Just look at those "beautiful graphics"showing your average Filipino the sophistication of Rappler's insight and utilization of digital marketing courtesy of THE NERVE.

I don't know how this media company manages to stay afloat and remain in business when most PINOYS take their news from social media apps/sites especially Facebook (Meta).
*ahem*NED*ahem*
 

ansy1968

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Thanks bro. I’m actually a Filipino diaspora in the US (moved here as a child) but unlike a lot of Filipinos living here, I have made myself aware of Filipino history, society and politics. So along with that, awareness to American-Filipino geopolitical relationship. All I can say is that it’s sad for an “independent” country to willingly vassalize itself like the Philippines all on the basis of history that has been doctored and warped. We have never really achieved independence.
A possible peaceful solution, why not discontinue the Dual Passport policy, why allow a foreigners to owned business and run for public office? As long as this policy persist we will never be free from the Collective West vassalage as the enemy is our own and its better than a bloody revolution.
I had held this belief that for all its flaws, incompetence and some hypocrisy, the CPP-NPA was at least the real nationalists in the country—and I use that term loosely for Filipinos who put Filipino interests at the fore. Boy was I wrong. It looks like America has gotten to virtually every sector of Philippine society. They’re almost as bad as the Filipino liberals who suddenly went silent when Marcos Jr. did a 180 degrees on his foreign policy from taking a more nuanced approach to just completely selling out to the US. You might be right with Joma though, for all my gripe about him, I believe he stood on his principles.
Most of the leftist activist in the cities had been tamed, as their children are allowed to study abroad sponsor by the oligarch and the US. This is the American method use to subjugate any opposition, an example is Renato Reyes Jr, he was active condemning Duterte about his drug war BUT eerily quite under Marcos Jr administration, he is known as a nationalist leader BUT he is very coy in his criticism of the new EDCA. What's the reason? well his wife work as a high executive in Ayala group of company, an oligarch establishment, his son studied at Ateneo De Manila and his daughter studied abroad in the US. So who support his expense as he is jobless? the revolutionary fund is thinning as the extortion money can't keep up with daily expense because of inflation, so you can see the hypocrisy. While the opposite can be said about those NPA fighting in the Mountains, these are true revolutionaries, they have problem recruiting new members because of Duterte policy.
we never had a real civil war, so that might rectify the wrongs in the Philippines…
And we never will as people find a peaceful solution as long as there is a Duterte in the ballot. The oligarch and political elite should be thankful as he save them from a possible pogrom because of Noynoy mismanagement and oligarchy greed.
Maria Ressa is a mediocre journalist who should be in prison for tax evasion and violating the constitution. The fact that she got acquitted for some of these charges is enough proof that the US has a lot of undue influence in our government.

*ahem*NED*ahem*
I'm glad that She is not a Filipina BUT an America, just look at her, she's the opposite of what define a Filipina beauty. ;)
 

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There are some groups in the Philippines, like the owners of this pseudo nationalist page, who still think that the US will come to save the Philippines in a confrontation with China. Little do these Filipinos know that their country is being groomed to be the next cannon fodder to be sacrificed to advance US interests :rolleyes:
 
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