China's SCS Strategy Thread

[mao_jr]

how's china's claim would affect US's freedom of navigation and whereas Vietnam and Philippines's claims wouldn't affect US?

Full of contradictions.

 

[Blackstone]

how's china's claim would affect US's freedom of navigation and whereas Vietnam and Philippines's claims wouldn't affect US?

Full of contradictions.

If China claims all the water within the 9-dash line, then freedom of navigation is affected, and if China only claims land features inside the 9-dash line, then freedom of navigation isn't affected. No contradictions at all.

 

[mao_jr]

If China claims all the water within the 9-dash line, then freedom of navigation is affected, and if China only claims land features inside the 9-dash line, then freedom of navigation isn't affected. No contradictions at all.

did you see vietnam and philippines claim lines? Samething, islands, and large body of water all enclosed in their claimed lines.

 

[AssassinsMace]

A.Mace, I don't get what you're trying to say. What does what William Randolph Hearst's newspapers did more than a hundred years ago has to do US today? No major US organization is drumming for Sino-American war, not even the China hawks. The worse you could say is some US media and security experts lobby for greater US presence in support of her allies, but even then, you'll also have to say most of them caution against war.

Want me to bring up the New York Times and Judith Miller and the Iraq War? That recent enough for you? Yellow journalism is dangerous. Ever hear of how the media calls themselves the fourth branch of government? That means they are seen as having as much power as a branch of government. The media doesn't look at themselves as superficial as you make them reduce to just wanting ratings and subscriptions. It's called abuse of power. You may look at it as nothing but it's very serious. If they see themselves as having that much power to gloat they're an unofficial branch of government, shouldn't they have to be responsible with it. A "branch of government" that has no checks and balances and is not elected nor appointed by someone along the line that was elected into office by the public. If you live in the US, then you shouldn't be so blasé at the flagrant abuses in the media. And it's the Asian-American community's apathy to politics is why they whine about why this and that happens to them.

 

[Blackstone]

did you see vietnam and philippines claim lines? Samething, islands, and large body of water all enclosed in their claimed lines.

If Vietnam and Philippines claim waters as sovereign territory, instead of mere EEZ, then they need to be corrected too.

 

[Blackstone]

Want me to bring up the New York Times and Judith Miller and the Iraq War? That recent enough for you? Yellow journalism is dangerous. Ever hear of how the media calls themselves the fourth branch of government? That means they are seen as having as much power as a branch of government. The media doesn't look at themselves as superficial as you make them reduce to just wanting ratings and subscriptions. It's called abuse of power. You may look at it as nothing but it's very serious. If they see themselves as having that much power to gloat they're an unofficial branch of government, shouldn't they have to be responsible with it. A "branch of government" that has no checks and balances and is not elected nor appointed by someone along the line that was elected into office by the public. If you live in the US, then you shouldn't be so blasé at the flagrant abuses in the media.

You forgot to mention Templars, Masons, Illuminati, and the International Jewish Conspiracy.

And it's the Asian-American community's apathy to politics is why they whine about why this and that happens to them.

What are you talking about? Americans of Asian ancestry are very active in civics, politics, religion, and government. Many are/have been elected/appointed to high offices. As for whining, every group in America does it, and it's my experience Americans of Asian ancestry, especially those of NE Asian extract (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), do less of that than most others.

 

[mao_jr]

If Vietnam and Philippines claim waters as sovereign territory, instead of mere EEZ, then they need to be corrected too.

I still waiting for US's first ever officially and through media to denounce their claims. Crossing my fingers.
All I see is against China's claim.

Let me know if US start to denounce them too.

The inconsistency makes me think the real issue here is never about Freedom of Navigation. It's probably a make-up term just to toss around.

 

[Blackstone]

I still waiting for US's first ever officially and through media to denounce their claims. Crossing my fingers.
All I see is against China's claim.

Let me know if US start to denounce them too.

You know damn well the US government is sympathetic to Vietnam and Philippines (to balance China) and wouldn't call them out, unless they do something outrageous. Like it or not, US and China are learning to accommodate each other as established and rising great powers. There will be lots of shouting and finger pointing, maybe even some saber rattling now and then, but both sides have push war off the table, and that's a good starting point.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

War is never going to be off the table. Its just that it would be a major miscalculation on both sides. A miss calculation all sides are trying not to make.

 

[AssassinsMace]

You forgot to mention Templars, Masons, Illuminati, and the International Jewish Conspiracy.


What are you talking about? Americans of Asian ancestry are very active in civics, politics, religion, and government. Many are/have been elected/appointed to high offices. As for whining, every group in America does it, and it's my experience Americans of Asian ancestry, especially those of NE Asian extract (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), do less of that than most others.

Are you telling me that Judith Miller didn't lie about the threat of WMD to push for the Iraq War to which lawmakers use to make the case for war? I guess she didn't lose her job either when no WMDs were found embarrassing the New York Times. Yellow journalism is not a conspiracy theory. Pretty fallacious argument to lump in yellow journalism with conspiracy theories in order to discount it.

If Asian-Americans are politically active then why are they complaining about being the invisible minority? Why do they whine about no Asian friends on the TV show Friends? Why do they waste their time complaining about Stephen Colbert, misunderstanding a joke out of context demanding he be fired? All a big waste of time to where they could spend their energy on something more important. I don't see any of them work to get out Asian-Americans to vote. Don't tell me you think Asian-American communities vote more than average hence why you don't see them complaining. You know why they complain about those worthless things and not more important matters? Because it's a cheap way of feeling included or important as in why they feel invisible. Interesting you admit that "NE Asians" do less of it yet you don't see them complaining? Or are you saying they're the ones that complain? So if what you say is true and other Asian minorities don't complain then, why do I here about "brown Asians vs yellow Asians" from Filipinos? Meaning the NE Asians as you put it get all the attention for "brown Asians" to complain? I hear that from Filipinos a lot. Filipinos are not NE Asians yet they complain how they're invisible in the invisible minority. There's no such thing as brown Asians vs Yellow Asians. I don't see Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese ganging up together against the defenseless vulnerable brown Asians. I like how you brought up NE Asians as a category from other Asians. I guess because you know too about the whining I'm talking about to make that division. I don't see Chinese and Japanese and Koreans in Asia working together against 'brown Asians" to make themselves a victim of a fake category. Yeah of course you don't see non-NE Asians complaining about being invisible in the US. That's because they displaced their anger to blame it on "NE Asians" and not those that are actually responsible for them feeling left out.