China's SCS Strategy Thread

[davidau]

This is very different from your original point. You were originally try to pass with a supposition that somehow "China's interior is not developed". Now you are trying to sneak through with something like "China's transportation network is NOT well connected to S.E.A.", if you were not caught bluffing by us, your false claims would have taken root in this forum.

As for the Arbitral Tribunal, why don't you go and take a look at the past rulings this "Tribunal" has given? You will know how meaningless this thing is.


You must be blind! China today is totally different from colonial empires. Colonial Empire strived to colonize old countries on popular trade route they themselves couldn't host profitable trade via peaceful means. This is because the world was NOT even functioning as a wholistic community networked by trade. Their standards were even unified. For Colonial Empires, uninhabited land and islands were NOT valuable in itself. It was the society and economy on those land that represents value.

Do you see China really going after the valuable part of S.E.A. with military power and resources? Do you see Chinese military sacking the rich and populated cities in S.E.A., striving to subjugate the people and regime there, in order to extract wealth? Do you see China setting up colonies in main cities and living areas in S.E.A., with intention to control people, land and resources around it?

The most you can criticize China on this matter is "great power chauvinism". To be honest, great powers are always chauvinistic, as long as they exist as such.

Especially a particular country always wants to be top dog, but hook and by crook!

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Now, let me show u my understanding: Chinese view themselves as highly civilized & therefore anywhere they once settled in whatever areas they could claim & able to defend as theirs, it makes perfectly legal to do so, regardless what non-Chinese say. Never mind that Ancient & later Chinese adopted many things from outsiders & then claimed as their own.

Thank you very much for proving my point.

by all means, pl. educate me!

Sure. Here's one for you:

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

I can't read nor translate this pic online. Whether I understand Chinese people or not, if u can't logically refute my arguments, pl. refrain from personal attacks.- that goes to all the others here who did that.

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about in 1200 AD, settled & intermarried in what is now New Mexico- so , following the same logic many use here, they can now claim the Zuni tribe reservation there as theirs as well.

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For someone like you who is so hard-headed in pumping out anti-China BS in this forum for all these time, I won't even bother wasting time to refute your nonsensical arguments.

Because all the other people in this forum has already done so multiple times, yet you stubbornly refuse to accept their explanations and reasoning that are actually proper, well-detailed and have solid groundings. At the same time, you kept your lone-wolf anti-China mask on that has neither basis nor grounds of reality.

Furthermore, this simple sentence:

Should have reminded you that you should just shut up on the topics and subjects that you have zero proper understanding about. However, you clearly didn't get the memo.

My goodness, are we talking to an Oblivion NPC here?

I think we all agree that we should play this soundtrack every time a conversation is initated with you, since you are an utter Oblivion NPC.

 

[PanAsian]

The West is as opportunistic as China- even if Diego Garcia is given back to Chagocians & US ratifies

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, the Chinese will say that Japan must leave Okinawa & US leave Puerto Rico, Guam & Hawaii. Why not press Russia to give up Sakhalin as well, as it was also claimed by the Ching?

Shame on your craven and hypocritical attempts to whitewash the cultural genocides and actual genocides committed by the Western and Japanese invaders on the native peoples of the Chagos islands, the Ryukyus, Puerto Rico, Guam, and Hawaii, not to mention the native peoples of the Philippines, Australasia, and the Americas. The world would be a better place if only more people, Chinese included, would call out abusive perverted views like yours.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

I'm free to express my opinion even if in ur judgment I have no power to understand the topics and subjects discussed here& it won't offend me in any way if u or any1 else decide to ignore me. China has her strategy in the SCS but others have strategies of their own. Time will tell which of them will prevail.
I don't whitewash anything! don't tell me China never oppressed any conquered peoples going back to the Han Dynasty!

 

[zgx09t]

don't tell me China never oppressed any conquered peoples going back to the Han Dynasty!

Personally, I'd put all the blame on baby J for all this random history stuff, he was supposed to fix everything and anything before 3 nights expired.
My condolences.

Anyway, Jai Hind.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

I'm free to express my opinion even if in ur judgment I have no power to understand the topics and subjects discussed here& it won't offend me in any way if u or any1 else decide to ignore me. China has her strategy in the SCS but others have strategies of their own. Time will tell which of them will prevail.
I don't whitewash anything! don't tell me China never oppressed any conquered peoples going back to the Han Dynasty!

The norm and value change over time. What is acceptable in Han dynasty circa 202 BC – 220 AD, might not be acceptable today I though human progress over time. So bringing back Han dynasty norm for today world is white washing and straw men argument! It is no question that the west use war, slavery, colonization, opium to the world and now the same people are singing haleluya and pointing finger at China for human right transgression when there is no solid evidence of genocide .Where is the refugee? China share long and porous border with Stans if there is genocide surely people will flee. There are stil 56 minorities in China who speak their own languages and maintain their custom. Now do the Navajo, Cherokee, Iroquois speak their language and how many of them are still practicing Indian culture? Don't worry about Asean or SEA they have lived with strong China for millennia As of today there are still Malay, Cambodian, Thai, Vietnamese none of them are eradicated!

 

[tygyg1111]

TL;DR.
Boring as heck, as much and equally as useless, in all practical terms.

Look at the map below marking the world areas where your former colonial master has invaded in one way or the other.
Living under their yoke for a long time, at least for your ancestors as Kenyans, if not for yourself , you must have internalized their values and rights and freedoms, as they were exercised and enjoyed by your colonized Kenyan forefathers. Lovely.
All these arguments and lies based out of western crook media, are laughable and pretentious to the most possible extant, in light of their own hypocritical denial of Chagos Islands ruling by the International Court of Justice in the Hague, no less, who actually has actual legal jurisdiction, not like the commercial kangaroo tribunal whose judges were paid by the litigant , or the highest bidder, and no legal jurisdiction whatsoever according to actual, factual international laws. Western mantra of made-up rules of law is complete garbage which has nothing to do with the actual, standing, binding international laws, at all. US is not even a ratified signatory of UNCLOS. That's how much rule of law worth - nothing. Look at Japan and US claims in the Pacific for their semi-submerged atolls. That's what a classical Western crook would usually do, say something and do something else entirely opposite. It seems someone here truly love crook masters? Just a hunch.

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A short answer for Tsavo is that China and all the other countries previously wronged by certain peoples 200 years ago, will endeavour to roll back as many of those changes as possible, and ensure a global structure that will render a future repeat of those events impossible.

The clock started ticking 2 decades ago and is accelerating.

 

[Deino]

Guys … this is a strategic topic concerning China‘s strategy in the SCS TODAY and even if historical issues are surely interesting and relevant, events several hundred years ago even more in order to start political disputes are off topic and not wanted!

 

[PhSt]

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