China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Doombreed]

That said, China is not averse to negotiating with the other claimants. After all, China has resolved almost all of its land border disputes (and China has a lot of land neighbors!). However, any negotiation must be conducted in good faith, otherwise it would just be a waste of time.

Unfortunately, the truth is, countries like Philippines and Vietnam are not so much interested in settling the SCS dispute as in using this dispute to shore up domestic support.

And do you know why? China's position is a zero-sum game! All of the islands in the SCS belongs to China. That is the official position. Has China offered any sort of compromise over the issue? Will China offer any sort of compromise over the issue? Settling the dispute means getting on your knees and accept that the trillion dollar bonanza is going in to Chinese pockets. Oh...and if you swallow just right, you just might get some scraps.

Before you get all indignant at the Filipinos and Vietnamese, I think the following conversation is appropriate...

"People should know when they are conquered."
"Would you, Quintus? Would I?"

 

[Blackstone]

And do you know why? China's position is a zero-sum game! All of the islands in the SCS belongs to China. That is the official position. Has China offered any sort of compromise over the issue? Will China offer any sort of compromise over the issue? Settling the dispute means getting on your knees and accept that the trillion dollar bonanza is going in to Chinese pockets. Oh...and if you swallow just right, you just might get some scraps.

Before you get all indignant at the Filipinos and Vietnamese, I think the following conversation is appropriate...

"People should know when they are conquered."
"Would you, Quintus? Would I?"

Oh yes, and all the whining and whimpering from Philippines and Vietnam have accomplished so much to advance their agendas? Before any of us forget, it was Philippines and Vietnam that started the status quo altercations, not China. They have yet to learn the more they hassle China, the worse things will get for them. They will take it. They will like it.

 

[Doombreed]

Oh yes, and all the whining and whimpering from Philippines and Vietnam have accomplished so much to advance their agendas? Before any of us forget, it was Philippines and Vietnam that started the status quo altercations, not China. They have yet to learn the more they hassle China, the worse things will get for them. They will take it. They will like it.

History of cause will show that SPQR expanded to the very northern edge of Germania. But respect should be paid to the underdog that resists no matter how hopeless the situations is. Not indignation. That is the nuance of Maximus's reply.

 

[Blackstone]

Hisotry of cause will show that SQPR expanded to the very northern edge of Germania. But repect should be paid to the underdog that resists, no matter how hopeless the situations is. Not indignation. That is the nuance of Maximus's reply.

Respect should indeed be rendered to all, strong, weak, friends, and foes. But it's a two way street. Just as the strong should respect the less so, the weak should understand provoking a stronger foe for purposes of ensnaring other parties into the ring could backfire in most unpleasant ways.

 

[Equation]

China could put all of it to rest by drawing her national maps like every other country in the world.

How do you know 100% sure it would be put to rest the issue? There's always going to be something wrong no matter what China does.

 

[Blackstone]

How do you know 100% sure it would be put to rest the issue? There's always going to be something wrong no matter what China does.

I don't know that it would put the issue to rest, and my guess is it wouldn't. But, having the 9-dash line does indeed cause problems for some folks, so why not remove it and not add any more fuel to the fire? It's not like it change any facts on the ground, right?

 

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I don't know that it would put the issue to rest, and my guess is it wouldn't. But, having the 9-dash line does indeed cause problems for some folks, so why not remove it and not add any more tension to the mess? It's not like it change any facts on the ground, right?

It's to clarified the real Chinese islands sovereignty, that's its sole purpose. Other wise other nations around the SCS area would do the same as well. The tensions doesn't really cause any social rift among each nations people because not many cares about it. It's only dramatize in the news as some sort of holy war is about to happen.

 

[Blackstone]

It's to clarified the real Chinese islands sovereignty, that's its sole purpose. Other wise other nations around the SCS area would do the same as well. The tensions doesn't really cause any social rift among each nations people because not many cares about it. It's only dramatize in the news as some sort of holy war is about to happen.

Then clarify island sovereignty the usual way. The 9-dash line on official Chinese national map does less to clarify sovereignty, and more to obfuscate it. Unless, of course, it's Chinese intention to nationalize everything inside the "cow tongue," include all of the waters. Put yourself in the shoes of China's SCS neighbors and tell me how you would see it. Keep in mind that 1) SCS territorial disputes are on-going and very heated, and 2) no other nation on God's green acres draw their maps like China, and neither did China till now.

Unless China deletes the hated 9-dash line, watch for other countries to do it too, including Japan.

 

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Then clarify island sovereignty the usual way. The 9-dash line on official Chinese national map does less to clarify sovereignty, and more to obfuscate it. Unless, of course, it's Chinese intention to nationalize everything inside the "cow tongue," include all of the waters. Put yourself in the shoes of China's SCS neighbors and tell me how you would see it. Keep in mind that 1) SCS territorial disputes are on-going and very heated, and 2) no other nation on God's green acres draw their maps like China, and neither did China till now.

Unless China deletes the hated 9-dash line, watch for other countries to do it too, including Japan.

There are dash lines on the seas through out the globe so why should China remove there's? Who are the final judge and jury to advocate for such action that can not even guaranteed a peaceful resolution?

 

[Blackstone]

There are dash lines on the seas through out the globe so why should China remove there's? Who are the final judge and jury to advocate for such action that can not even guaranteed a peaceful resolution?

LOL. You're reaching, Equation my friend, really reaching.

It's clear China is slicing more salami and wouldn't stop until she gets the whole enchilada. I'm sympathetic to China's historical LAND claims over South China Sea, Diaoyu Dao, and Japanese-occupied Okinawa, but no one owns the water.