China's SCS Strategy Thread

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Really? If that's what he truly believes then he must be getting ready to fight a nuclear war with Russia.

Why Qing government never has iron clad control over Siberia No governor ever posted in the Siberia The perceived Chinese control is bunch of tribe submit themselves to Qing court and accept Qing suzerainty. But that is the definition of control over territory
It is different with Tibet and Xijiang . In both places Qing court sent and army and actually occupied it have Governor or Amban in Tibet

China actually fought the Russian in Xinjiang end up with treaty
 

Iron Man

Major
Registered Member
Why Qing government never has iron clad control over Siberia No government posted in the Siberia The perceived Chinese control is bunch of tribe submit themselves to Qing court and accept Qing suzerainty. But that is the definition of control over territory
It is different with Tibet and Xijiang . In both places Qing court sent and army and actually occupied it
Right. I'm sure all the "tribes" in the SCS submitted themselves to the Qing court as well. BTW you also seemed to have forgotten Mongolia and parts of Vietnam and North Korea in your quest to take the literal word of dear leader Xi at face value.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Right. I'm sure all the "tribes" in the SCS submitted themselves to the Qing court as well. BTW you also seemed to have forgotten Mongolia and parts of Vietnam and North Korea in your quest to take the literal word of dear leader Xi at face value.

The same argument Vietnam and Korea are semi independent country for a long time They have their own king and government But they accept Chinese suzerainty
Mongolia split when China was govern by the Kuomintang So it is not the fault of CCP Some banner decide to stay with China some want to have independent But who want Mongolia and giant waste land with economic basket case
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Xi Jinping believes in the borders of China as defined when the People's Republic of China was established.

Not quite.

While I have not yet seen the full Chinese original text yet, I would have expected that Xi’ meaning is that China will not be forced or intimidated into giving up one inch.

A negotiated treaty with a land settlement agreement is something else entirely, and China has settle all its land board disputes this way except for with India, which is more down to India than China.

China was prepared to do the same in the SCS, but Hillary and Obama sabotaged that, so now China is playing for all the marbles.
 

Iron Man

Major
Registered Member
Not quite.

While I have not yet seen the full Chinese original text yet, I would have expected that Xi’ meaning is that China will not be forced or intimidated into giving up one inch.

A negotiated treaty with a land settlement agreement is something else entirely, and China has settle all its land board disputes this way except for with India, which is more down to India than China.

China was prepared to do the same in the SCS, but Hillary and Obama sabotaged that, so now China is playing for all the marbles.
That is an interpretation that is not supported by the quote, unless you can dig up the exact quote for everyone. Here is Reuter's translation again: "“We cannot lose even one inch of the territory left behind by our ancestors". There is no qualification about being forced or intimidated into giving up one inch, but rather a fairly absolute statement made about China's ancestral territories. My point is that this is a statement of strength spoken by someone trying to portray resolve in the context of the SCS island disputes, but is not a realistically attainable goal if applied to China in general and is almost certainly not even a belief held by Xi himself, who is not interested in reclaiming Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, Jiaozhi, the Four Commanderies of Han, or even South Tibet. He's definitely interested in the SCS though.
 

nugroho

Junior Member
That is an interpretation that is not supported by the quote, unless you can dig up the exact quote for everyone. Here is Reuter's translation again: "“We cannot lose even one inch of the territory left behind by our ancestors". There is no qualification about being forced or intimidated into giving up one inch, but rather a fairly absolute statement made about China's ancestral territories. My point is that this is a statement of strength spoken by someone trying to portray resolve in the context of the SCS island disputes, but is not a realistically attainable goal if applied to China in general and is almost certainly not even a belief held by Xi himself, who is not interested in reclaiming Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, Jiaozhi, the Four Commanderies of Han, or even South Tibet. He's definitely interested in the SCS though.
Don't forget Taiwan, What Xi 's said is political, and what you translate is one by one word translation, they cannot be match. The most important thing is what Mattis ( or Trump ) response to Xi's statement.
 

solarz

Brigadier
That is an interpretation that is not supported by the quote, unless you can dig up the exact quote for everyone. Here is Reuter's translation again: "“We cannot lose even one inch of the territory left behind by our ancestors". There is no qualification about being forced or intimidated into giving up one inch, but rather a fairly absolute statement made about China's ancestral territories. My point is that this is a statement of strength spoken by someone trying to portray resolve in the context of the SCS island disputes, but is not a realistically attainable goal if applied to China in general and is almost certainly not even a belief held by Xi himself, who is not interested in reclaiming Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, Jiaozhi, the Four Commanderies of Han, or even South Tibet. He's definitely interested in the SCS though.

Xi's statement is a figure of speech meant to convey a strong determination. Only fools, or those with an ulterior motive, would try to interpret it literally.
 
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Mattis Arrives in China Amid Heightened Tensions Over Build Up in South China Sea
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6/26/2018
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Xi meets with U.S. Secretary of Defense
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Chinese President Xi Jinping on Wednesday met with visiting U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis in Beijing.

Xi said the world is undergoing major developments, transformation and adjustment. The trends of world multi-polarization and economic globalization are developing in depth, and countries have become even more interdependent.

The Chinese people are building a great modern socialist country, but China will stay on the path of peaceful development, Xi said, adding that China will neither pursue the path of expansionism and colonialism, nor cause chaos to the world.

Xi said China-U.S. relations are one of the most important bilateral ties in the world.

The history and reality since the establishment of bilateral diplomatic ties in nearly 40 years have proved that the sound development of China-U.S. ties can benefit peoples of the two countries and the world, which is also conducive to world and regional peace, stability and prosperity, Xi said.

China and the United States share common interests in extensive areas and common ground far outweighs differences, Xi said.

The Pacific Ocean is vast enough to accommodate China and the United States, as well as other countries, the president said.

China and the United States should promote the development of bilateral ties based on the principle of mutual respect and win-win cooperation, Xi said.

"When we see common interests between China and the United States, we do not shy away from differences," the president said.

"Our stance is steadfast and clear-cut when it comes to China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Xi said, adding that "any inch of territory passed down from ancestors can not be lost while we want nothing from others."

As an important part of bilateral relations, Xi said military relations have maintained a sound development momentum in recent years.

"It has long been known that the real experts on military affairs do not want to employ military means to solve issues," said Xi.

Xi noted that enhanced military exchanges and institutional building at various levels are helpful for defusing doubts and preventing misunderstandings, misjudgement and accidents.

Xi said he hoped the two militaries will strengthen communication, increase mutual trust, deepen cooperation, manage and control risks and promote military ties to be a stabilizer of bilateral relations.

Mattis said the United States attaches great importance to relations between the two countries and the two militaries, and military ties play a vital role in the bilateral relations.

Mattis said that guided by consensus reached by heads of state of the two countries, the United States is willing to strengthen strategic communication, expand mutually-beneficial cooperation, manage and control differences and risks, and prevent conflicts and confrontations, so as to enable military relations to be a constructive factor in promoting the development of bilateral ties.

Mattis conveyed U.S. President Donald Trump's greetings to Xi while Xi asked Mattis to convey his greetings to Trump.

Officials including Chinese State Councilor and Minister of National Defense Wei Fenghe attended the meeting.
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