China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Air Force Brat]

J11B doesn't scare no one especially by if couple carrier strike groups in SCS. Till enough J20 be made and assigned to hainan or zhangjiang, the original base then true deterrent be had. If J20 around hainan, no foreign carrier strike group air fighters want to mess around with it.

Actually the J-11B, J-15 J-16, and those 13 Chinese/Russian Su-35s are China's front line of Air Defense tonight, along with vessels and mobile AAM, the J-20 and FC-31 may well be significant threats one day soon?? but I can guarantee you tonight that any USAF/Marine/Naval Aviator isn't afraid to mess with the meanest OPFOR we face, not saying we don't take people with bad blood seriously, we do, but our Air Forces are ready and battle hardened,, they train to take on the worst case scenario, and all involved would be well advised not to take our kindness and good nature as a sign of weakness, or a lack of resolve...

The American PEOPLE, elected Donald J. Trump as President, because we are tired of weak, unmotivated, effeminate leadership! we done wit dat man! We DEMANDED a President who will call it like it is, and we have one, he's not "articulate, polite, or cultured,,, he speaks his mind, and I for one see that as helping us have much better relations with Russian and China to start with,,, even Russia and China were sick of Mr. Flexible!

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[tidalwave]

Actually the J-11B, J-15 J-16, and those 13 Chinese/Russian Su-35s are China's front line of Air Defense tonight, along with vessels and mobile AAM, the J-20 and FC-31 may well be significant threats one day soon?? but I can guarantee you tonight that any USAF/Marine/Naval Aviator isn't afraid to mess with the meanest OPFOR we face, not saying we don't take people with bad blood seriously, we do, but our Air Forces are ready and battle hardened,, they train to take on the worst case scenario, and all involved would be well advised not to take our kindness and good nature as a sign of weakness, or a lack of resolve...

The American PEOPLE, elected Donald J. Trump as President, because we are tired of weak, unmotivated, effeminate leadership! we done wit dat man! We DEMANDED a President who will call it like it is, and we have one, he's not "articulate, polite, or cultured,,, he speaks his mind, and I for one see that as helping us have much better relations with Russian and China to start with,,, even Russia and China were sick of Mr. Flexible!

Ronald Reagan coined the phrase "Peace through Strength!"

Of course , soldiers cannot be afraid regardless even suicide mission but military planner has other things to worry.

But couple yrs from now the number of J20 would be greatly increased , plus the 095 would be in service.

Probably would be enough for the military planner to have carrier group to stand down or tread water carefully without that overwhelming for sure factor.

F22 would be the one countering J20 but it has no base at SCS whereas China has land base for J20 to supervise over SCS.

US always needs to have advantage or upper hand. But eventually it needs to train ro fight when it's even and square.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Of course , soldiers cannot be afraid regardless even suicide mission but military planner has other things to worry.

But couple yrs from now the number of J20 would be greatly increased , plus the 095 would be in service.

Probably would be enough for the military planner to have carrier group to stand down or tread water carefully without that overwhelming for sure factor.

F22 would be the one countering J20 but it has no base at SCS whereas China has land base for J20 to supervise over SCS.

Actually while the F-22s are no doubt the best bird to counter the J-20, more likely it will be Marine F-35 Bravo's, or Navy F-35 Charlie's protecting our Maritime interests in the SCS, and they will be more than capable of defending our Carrier Strike Groups against any known threat....

truth be told friend, each of us might be afraid if facing the bad guy who's trying to kill us,, but the US has the right tools to defend ourselves if need be!

 

[tidalwave]

Actually while the F-22s are no doubt the best bird to counter the J-20, more likely it will be Marine F-35 Bravo's, or Navy F-35 Charlie's protecting our Maritime interests in the SCS, and they will be more than capable of defending our Carrier Strike Groups against any known threat....

truth be told friend, each of us might be afraid if facing the bad guy who's trying to kill us,, but the US has the right tools to defend ourselves if need be!

I guess F35 will do the job.
But in Chinese articles and forum, overwhelmingly F22 is regarded as the beast due to it kinetics.

Most of them refer F35 as the "Fat Bird" where air superiority is not it's main focus.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I guess F35 will do the job.
But in Chinese articles and forum, overwhelmingly F22 is regarded as the beast due to it kinetics.

Most of them refer F35 as the "Fat Bird" where air superiority is not it's main focus.

I can understand why they would refer to the F-35 as the "Fat Bird"?? but in fact the F-22 and J-20 have a very similar fuselage profile, and that larger diameter fuselage allows you to house all of those sensors, a good radar, and quite a few more weapons internally, thus decreasing what would otherwise be a very busy radar return.,,, those same internals are never creating drag and dissipating energy during maneuvering as the external stores do on a conventional aircraft carrying weapons on hard points.

In addition the J-20, F-22, and F-35 use a "blended wing" design that maximizes forward fuselage lift, allowing them to reduce span and wing area, once again enhancing L/O properties and reducing drag, while "spreading" lift along the entire fuselage,,, and reducing the trim changes and negative affects that come with having all of your lift occurring near the center of gravity, so you have a much greater "operating envelope" with the fuselage to house countermeasures, fuel, weapons and electronics, notice each of these aircraft have their munitions stores at the center of gravity, that's because you shed a tremendous amount of weight when you launch a weapon, if that were too far forward or aft, that would cause massive trim changes and the need to apply energy to correct.

 

[FORBIN]

Actually the J-11B, J-15 J-16, and those 13 Chinese/Russian Su-35s are China's front line of Air Defense tonight, along with vessels and mobile AAM, the J-20 and FC-31 may well be significant threats one day soon?? but I can guarantee you tonight that any USAF/Marine/Naval Aviator isn't afraid to mess with the meanest OPFOR we face, not saying we don't take people with bad blood seriously, we do, but our Air Forces are ready and battle hardened,, they train to take on the worst case scenario, and all involved would be well advised not to take our kindness and good nature as a sign of weakness, or a lack of resolve...

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The workhorse is also the J-10* 410 in service ( with Navy 450 surely the right number ) but the more numerous remains J-7 about 550 on 1900 fighters with H-6 about 130 : 2000 - 2050 whose 750 less capable J-7, J-8B and Q-5 Navy add 330
* Flankers family 450 have different types J-11/A only or almost for air sup, J-11B more versatile but less than Su-30/J-16, Su-30MKK2 is also a little different with a bettter radar for attack ship all J-10 are less différent for it.

For anti-ships ballistic missiles surely DF-21D is operationnal, DF-16 in service no sure operationnal normaly also they have satellites but remains very difficult in paratice targeted a moving target with this type of missiles a true anti-ships missile YJ-12/18 by example is surely more reliable better for this job
in more the qty of Ballistic Missiles stock is much more limited and these 2 are MRBMs not small and expensive.

 

[Deino]

just found but can anyone please translate? ... and I don't understand why they took J-10 instead of the regularly deployed J-11BH?

 

[Rachmaninov]

just found but can anyone please translate? ... and I don't understand why they took J-10 instead of the regularly deployed J-11BH?

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Title reads "Power projection of China in the SCS and estimated future developments"

Smaller text reads "In the past, China only had a relatively strong control in the northern parts of SCS. Ever since pushing through the reclamation projects around the Spratlys, China now boasts a few relatively large airports that can support the deployment of heavy aircraft, and maintaining a certain level of military deployment would enhance its control of the southern portion of SCS."

Legend reads as follows:

Chinese frontal bases

Anti-ship cruise missile:
Current range of attack
Possible future range of attack

Anti-air missile range:
Current attack range of HQ-9
Possible future attack range of HQ-9

Fighter combat radius:
J-10 combat radius
Current combat radius of J-10
Anticipated future combat radius of J-10

Radar:
Combat radius

Boundary of Chinese exclusive economic zone
Nine-Dash Line

 

[Deino]

Thanks a lot !

 

[Rachmaninov]

Thanks a lot !

Not a problem. A more literally accurate translation for the J-10 bit should be "Combat radius of J-10 at existing airports".

Note the wording "Anticipated future" rather than "Possible future" combat radius of J-10, which to me sounds like a certain thing to happen instead of something being considered, if I am not over interpreting this...