China's SCS Strategy Thread

Blackstone

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TTP-light is indeed being explored, it's official name is the Free Trade Area of the Asia-Pacific, and I'll bet dollars to donuts it will be a reality in a few years. Meanwhile, there will be lots of shouting and jostling for economic leadership in Asia. But, with the demise of the TPP, the die is cast and FTAAP is the only game in town. You can't beat something with nothing.
 

sanblvd

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And you don't think Trump is a part of that old elite establishment...smh? Didn't you know America has two competing elite groups? One is a neocon (Republicans) and one's "liberal" (Democrats), both are totally against a rising China whether they admit to it or not. The bottom line of my argument is that America's choices for picking either establishment crook "A" or "B" makes no difference. The corruptions and incompetence are so thick it takes a miracle to reverse the continuous down fall or go for a regime change sort of scenario, and I doubt that would happen. If America could only do a wide anti-corruption campaign like President Xi Jinping did for the PRC, Trump would have been under investigation for tax evasion, while Hillary Clinton would have been in jail for her Benghazi failures.:rolleyes:

Actually Trump didn't win the popular vote, therefore without the electoral college system he would have lost. So the irony is, like Trump said, "the system is rigged"!;)

I said I won't reply, but you keep dragging me back lol... To answer your question, no, I don't think Trump is any part of the elite establishment, the Republican hated him, he was literally their last choice out of the 17 man, during Republican primary, all Republican was against him. Now that he won, the Republican have no choice but to support him, but his political views goes against many republican beliefs, and many old established Republican actually supported Hillary.

Trump was Rich, but he was not establishment, they view him a fool, a baboon, a low life not to be taken seriously. The 2 elite group that you speak of controls Hillary 100%, but not Trump, Both bush didn't endorse him, Mitt Romney openly mocked him. And Trump literally hi-jacked the republican party from within because of the failure of the government from both elites. And I have no doubt that at this very moment, both side of the elite is trying their hardest to convince Trump to see their view, whatever they can succeed, I have no idea. But one thing for sure, Trump is not stupid as the media make him out to be, he is not like George W, he actually have his own original thinking and beliefs, so he will not be easily influenced, but on the other hand... the power of the elite is very strong, so in the end, he may yet succumb to it.

As for fighting corruption Chinese style, its harder to do in a democracy than more authoritarian government, but here is a good start.
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sanblvd

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On a related note, after China agree to sell 4 patrol ships to Malaysia, Japan literally give them 2 ships for free.

And Abe is flying New York today to meet Trump at his own residence, so he will be the 1st world leader Trump meet in person. This speaks more about the desperation of Abe than anything else.

He is really really afraid US won't follow up on the Asia pivot. Will Trump take the bait, we shall see.
 

Janiz

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And Abe is flying New York today to meet Trump at his own residence, so he will be the 1st world leader Trump meet in person. This speaks more about the desperation of Abe than anything else.
WOW! On the two biggest post WWII US allies (the other is GB) wants to meet with the new head of the state! How desperate he must be! It's beyond belief!

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BTW: Trump and Abe agreed to meet this week right after he was elected.
 

Equation

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I said I won't reply, but you keep dragging me back lol... To answer your question, no, I don't think Trump is any part of the elite establishment, the Republican hated him, he was literally their last choice out of the 17 man, during Republican primary, all Republican was against him. Now that he won, the Republican have no choice but to support him, but his political views goes against many republican beliefs, and many old established Republican actually supported Hillary.

Trump was Rich, but he was not establishment, they view him a fool, a baboon, a low life not to be taken seriously. The 2 elite group that you speak of controls Hillary 100%, but not Trump, Both bush didn't endorse him, Mitt Romney openly mocked him. And Trump literally hi-jacked the republican party from within because of the failure of the government from both elites. And I have no doubt that at this very moment, both side of the elite is trying their hardest to convince Trump to see their view, whatever they can succeed, I have no idea. But one thing for sure, Trump is not stupid as the media make him out to be, he is not like George W, he actually have his own original thinking and beliefs, so he will not be easily influenced, but on the other hand... the power of the elite is very strong, so in the end, he may yet succumb to it.

As for fighting corruption Chinese style, its harder to do in a democracy than more authoritarian government, but here is a good start.
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For Trump to hire this racist Steve Bannon as his chief stategist than that tells me a lot about him. He is NO savior what so ever, unless of course if you are a white male American and angry for some reason.o_O Yes Trump is a part of that Good Ole Boy system.

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Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon suggests having too many Asian tech CEOs undermines ‘civic society’


President-elect Donald Trump’s chief strategist seems to think there are too many immigrants leading Silicon Valley. Steve Bannon, who previously served as Breitbart News Network’s executive chairman, hinted at some of his views on foreign workers at technology companies in the past. In
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between Trump and Bannon that took place last year, and thatThe Washington Post
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, Bannon alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the US, instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies.

Trump voiced concern over these students attending Ivy League schools and then going home: “We have to be careful of that, Steve. You know, we have to keep our talented people in this country,” Trump said.

When asked if he agreed, Bannon responded: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

While Bannon didn’t explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase “civic society.” Taken in tandem with the stories Bannon allowed to go up onBreitbart News, including pieces that attacked women, feminists, political correctness, muslims, and trans people, Bannon’s comment wouldn’t come as a surprise.


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These are actual headlines Bannon published on his "news" site, this is Trump's chief strategist & sr. counselor:

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Meanwhile, foreign-born CEOs, including Microsoft’s Satya Nadella, have tried to quell concerns from employees. In
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last week, Nadella and Microsoft congratulated Trump, while saying that the company’s commitment to “fostering a diverse and inclusive culture” remains “steadfast.” Mark Zuckerberg-backed
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it plans to reject and work against a rollback or freeze on reform of the H-1B visa program. The H-1B visa is the most widely used system for bringing high-skilled foreign labor into the US. For now, Trump’s policy on those visas is still up in the air.

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solarz

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I said I won't reply, but you keep dragging me back lol... To answer your question, no, I don't think Trump is any part of the elite establishment, the Republican hated him, he was literally their last choice out of the 17 man, during Republican primary, all Republican was against him. Now that he won, the Republican have no choice but to support him, but his political views goes against many republican beliefs, and many old established Republican actually supported Hillary.

Trump was Rich, but he was not establishment, they view him a fool, a baboon, a low life not to be taken seriously. The 2 elite group that you speak of controls Hillary 100%, but not Trump, Both bush didn't endorse him, Mitt Romney openly mocked him. And Trump literally hi-jacked the republican party from within because of the failure of the government from both elites. And I have no doubt that at this very moment, both side of the elite is trying their hardest to convince Trump to see their view, whatever they can succeed, I have no idea. But one thing for sure, Trump is not stupid as the media make him out to be, he is not like George W, he actually have his own original thinking and beliefs, so he will not be easily influenced, but on the other hand... the power of the elite is very strong, so in the end, he may yet succumb to it.

As for fighting corruption Chinese style, its harder to do in a democracy than more authoritarian government, but here is a good start.
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I think you have to be careful here.

It's true that Trump ran an anti-establishment campaign. He used rhetoric that was unacceptable to the PC media. However, does that really mean he's not, or won't be, a willing tool of the establishment?

I highly doubt it.

Forget about banning muslims and building walls, look at Trump's policy messages. Tariffs against China? Deporting illegal immigrants? All been said and done before. Romney bashed China in his campaign, and so did McCain before him. In fact, even Obama frequently indulged in it, albeit on a more subtle level.

So what exactly makes Trump so "anti-establishment", aside from his tough talk?

Trump didn't win this election because of what he did or didn't do. He won because Hillary Clinton was just a horrible, horrible candidate. My dad voted for Trump even though he called him crazy. When I asked him why, he said Hillary was just not trustworthy.

All presidential candidates bash China, but the Chinese people, including those overseas, haven't forgotten who it was that ignited the current South China Sea row. Chinese people may not agree on the communist party, but most agree on territorial sovereignty. Hillary Clinton's naked attempt to undermine Chinese sovereignty in the SCS is well remembered by all Chinese.

So it doesn't matter how much Trump rages against China, he's still a lot less sinister than Clinton.
 

sanblvd

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@Equation... ahh yes, the Steve Bannon thing, for that, I don't agree with it him, and no, I'm not going to defend Trump at every decision he makes, just I as am not going to bash Hillary for every decision she makes. I don't know why he hired him, but here is my guess.

We all take his victory today as granted, but just 1-2 weeks ago for Trump it was looking all but a Hillary landslide blowout victory, the people who supported Trump were far and few, and Steve Bannon was one of the very few supporter on his team. From what I read about Trump, sometime he values royalty more than ability (if you attack him from this aspect, it would be a good start) So that people that stood by him in the darkest of times get rewarded, simple as that. And other reason I can think of is that, Steve Bannon represents the extreme right wing which supported him, so he cannot just ignore them so he has to do something and hire this guy to represent them. But here is what many people fail at logic, yes, many racist people voted for Trump, BUT that does not mean all the people voted for him are racist.

He won more votes from Latino and Black than Mitt Romney, how is this possible? It is because if you overlook the mainstream coverage of him, his main campaign message is actually fighting the status quo, fighting the Washington corruption, which is something many people supports.

@solarz I agree with you, Trump is NOT more racist than any other White politician, and most white politician I think are actually racist not as in the pre-civil right racist, they just tend to look more favorable on their own race than others, but I don't think they harbor deep hatred against other races.

However Hillary's campaign strategy is to make Trump look exceptionally racist than anyone else. As for his message is very different compare to other traditional republican politicians, Republican are usually the more hawkish party, but yet, he wants to get along with Putin and pull back from international obligations, Republican are usually pro business, but yet, he is anti-trade. And yes you are right, I think the chances of the establishment pulling him back to their norm is higher than he carry out his campaign goal, but from all of the years in US politics, he is the candidate that has the most disagreement with their party and won the election, and I hope this means something.

And I totally agree with you on Hillary, her hatred for China runs deep in her psych from well before she got into politics, I think it border on irrationally and dare I say.... racism.
 

sanblvd

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On another unrelated note, I high recommend everyone to watch this video. It gives you an idea just how hard its for ruler to govern and stay in power, and for this reason alone, Trump is going to compromise for sure on his agenda or he will be just like Obama, unable to get anything done.

 

tidalwave

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Trump projecting 350 ship US Navy to counter China.
Now it's time for China to showcase its 095 and massively produce them like 052C/D series to counter the huge US naval expansion.
 

Equation

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@Equation... ahh yes, the Steve Bannon thing, for that, I don't agree with it him, and no, I'm not going to defend Trump at every decision he makes, just I as am not going to bash Hillary for every decision she makes. I don't know why he hired him, but here is my guess.

We all take his victory today as granted, but just 1-2 weeks ago for Trump it was looking all but a Hillary landslide blowout victory, the people who supported Trump were far and few, and Steve Bannon was one of the very few supporter on his team. From what I read about Trump, sometime he values royalty more than ability (if you attack him from this aspect, it would be a good start) So that people that stood by him in the darkest of times get rewarded, simple as that. And other reason I can think of is that, Steve Bannon represents the extreme right wing which supported him, so he cannot just ignore them so he has to do something and hire this guy to represent them. But here is what many people fail at logic, yes, many racist people voted for Trump, BUT that does not mean all the people voted for him are racist.
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The fact of the matter is that Trump needs every single of those racist voters to win a campaign. If Trump doesn't think hiring Steve Bannon won't backfire than he's got another thing coming. Every single "liberal" media will now be hounding and over looking every single move that Trump makes like a hungry lion tearing up his prey.

White nationalism, a term once on the fringes, now front and center
By Joe Sterling, CNN

Updated 8:30 AM ET, Thu November 17, 2016

(CNN)President-elect Donald Trump's selection of Stephen Bannon as his chief strategist and senior counselor swept a new term out of the fringes and into the mainstream: white nationalism.

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, the Trump campaign CEO and executive chairman of Breitbart News, has called his site "the platform for the
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," a far-right movement that has been linked to white nationalism, racism, misogyny and anti-Semitism.
So, what exactly is "white nationalism"? Activists on the front lines of fighting racism say it denotes white domination and superiority.

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Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism, said white nationalism is a term for a form of white supremacy or separatism.
Its supporters defend "country by white racial identity." They promote the interests of whites exclusively and denigrate all others.
"Bannon established himself as the chief curator of news for the alt-right," he said. "And when you descrbe Breibart as a platform for the alt-right that's not insignificant."
"Under his stewardship, Breitbart emerged as a leading source for the extreme views of a vocal minority who peddle bigotry and hate."
White domination
Mark Potok, senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said the term white nationalism means white domination. It isn't necessarily an endorsement of a 100% pure white society, a goal now regarded by the far right as unrealistic, he said.
"White nationalism is more the idea that whites should dominate," he said, that the culture should dominate and policies that jibe with the idea should be supported, such as opposing nonwhite immigration.
White nationalists believe the country "should be built by and for white people." They "tend to be less about ethnic slurs, less about Nazi slurs, tend to speak more academic language."
Some people who embrace the white nationalist identity refer to themselves as "race realists" -- generally speaking, that means people who believe the races can't live together. They may also call themselves "
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," a movement that emerged last decade on the French far right. The movement is linked to the opposition to multiculturalism and anti-Islam attitudes.
'The people I'm describing don't live in Washington'
Paul Gottfried is the former Horace Raffensperger professor of humanities at Elizabethtown College in Pennsylvania. He is also the president of the H.L. Mencken Club, which calls itself a "society for the independent right."
He said "white nationalism is more often used by the left than on the alternative right" and that "white Identitarian" and "race realist" are the terms more common on the alt-right
Gottfried rejected the view that
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s a racist, an anti-Semite, a white Identitarian or race realist. Instead, Gottfried said, Bannon comes from the world of Washington politics and journalism.
"The people I'm describing don't live in Washington," he said, when making reference to race realists and Identitarians. "I don't think he knows any of those people."
'I like the term alt-right'
A major voice of the alt-right is Richard Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute and the editor of Radix Journal. He defines "
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" as a U.S.-focused movement concerning white racial consciousness and identity.
"I don't use the term white nationalist to describe myself," he said. "I understand it's a fairly fair term. Obviously white refers to race, of European descent."
To the extent that nationalism means caring for one's family, that is a good thing, he said.
But the word "nationalism" reflects deep-seated historical grudges, "ethno-nationalism," in which Europeans warred with one another.
"We want to get beyond these things," Spencer said. "I like the term alt-right. It has an openness to it. And immediately understandable. We're coming from a new perspective."
He prefers the terms Identitarian and alt-right.
Alt-right, he said, "has a new starting point from conventional conservative. That was the origin of it."
"It's been filled out and come into its own. It's an Identitarian movement. Race realism is a component of it. It's an understanding of
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Distancing themselves from white supremacy
Daryl Johnson is the owner of DT Analytics, with DT standing for domestic terrorism. He is a security consultant and a former counterterrorism expert at the Department of Homeland Security.
Johnson was the primary author of a
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about right-wing extremism that drew
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White nationalism is a "new buzzword," Johnson said, but the first time he saw the term was in "white supremacy literature."
The far rightists used "white nationalism" to appear more credible and patriotic, Johnson said, and the term detracts from the stereotypes conjured by white supremacy.
But make no mistake, he argued, white nationalism is a euphemism. "They want to distance themselves from white supremacy," he said.
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