China's SCS Strategy Thread

[LesAdieux]

strategically China is gravely under armed, it puts the nation under grave danger. how come China has so few nukes? it's strange and bizarre, some people are so angry, they want those who are responsible be excuted.

 

[tidalwave]

Are you sure? I haven't seen any repeat of 1996 when two US carrier battle groups are in between the Taiwan straight and the mainland lately. FON is just a simple game of chicken sail and run to appease their allies eyes, whom still haven't accepted the fact of a changing world and status quo.

USN Navy is calling to send a carrier to interfere China in off-limit military drill area near paracel.
The game just started, so hold on to your seatbelt.

 

[tidalwave]

strategically China is gravely under armed, it puts the nation under grave danger. how come China has so few nukes? it's strange and bizarre, some people are so angry, they want those who are responsible be excuted.

I like the continous pressure by US. It may sound strange but China needs to be humilated(loss face) and punked in order to get things done.

 

[Brumby]

USN Navy is calling to send a carrier to interfere China in off-limit military drill area near paracel.
The game just started, so hold on to your seatbelt.

Do you actually have a credible source that you can provide that the USN intends to interfere with the drill? Such drills are allowed under international law and the reason why IMO the US has to-date not make any comments opposing it.

 

[lucretius]

strategically China is gravely under armed, it puts the nation under grave danger. how come China has so few nukes? it's strange and bizarre, some people are so angry, they want those who are responsible be excuted.

What kind of person would want someone executed because they did not buy enough nukes. Sounds like tin pot politics to me.

 

[AndrewS]

strategically China is gravely under armed, it puts the nation under grave danger. how come China has so few nukes? it's strange and bizarre, some people are so angry, they want those who are responsible be excuted.

Strategically the situation is actually ok.

Just go with the status quo, ignore everything as much as possible and just keep building up China's economic strength/prosperity. In the long-run, that will provide China with the economic/military/political heft to solve any issue that China faces.

There's no need to get too worked up about the US Navy sailing around the SCS, as that doesn't change anything.

 

[AndrewS]

Time Magazine

UNCLOS and international maritime law is largely determined by what the largest navy says it should be.

China Will Never Respect the U.S. Over the South China Sea. Here’s Why

The U.S. is one of the most vocal countries urging China to hew to international arbitration in the vital waterway. Beijing isn't impressed


A great power refuses to play by international rules, declining to ratify a major U.N. convention to which more than 160 other countries are party. After years of complaints, the nation convinces the U.N. to tweak the treaty to many of its specifications. Yet even after those amendments, the great power’s legislature prioritizes protectionist sentiment over respect for global rule of law.
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This renegade country, though, is not China, which has come under fire for saying it will

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on its territorial claims in the South China Sea. Instead, the longtime outlier is the U.S., one of the most vocal countries urging China to hew to the international order.
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But American hypocrisy when it comes to maritime rule of law looks likely to endure.

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[AndrewS]

Wall Street Journal

China’s Defiance of International Court Has Precedent—U.S. Defiance

Beijing’s determination to ignore ruling in South China Sea dispute recalls American response in Contra case

BEIJING—Beijing’s determination to reject an

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on its South China Sea claims is unusual but not unprecedented. There is one especially notable case of a powerful nation ignoring an international court’s verdict: the U.S.
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In 1986, the International Court of Justice in The Hague ruled in favor of Nicaragua in a case the Central American nation brought against the U.S. for aiding Nicaraguan Contra rebels and mining the country’s ports in a bid to undermine its socialist government.
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The U.S. boycotted most of the proceedings, saying the court had no jurisdiction, and refused to observe its verdict, which granted Nicaragua an initial award of $370 million. The U.S. then used its permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council to veto resolutions demanding it observe the Nicaragua ruling, ignored another passed by the U.N. General Assembly, and only stopped aiding the Contras when blocked by the U.S. Congress in 1988.

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[siegecrossbow]

I like the continous pressure by US. It may sound strange but China needs to be humilated(loss face) and punked in order to get things done.

Do you have a source for this? Thanks in advance.

 

[solarz]

strategically China is gravely under armed, it puts the nation under grave danger. how come China has so few nukes? it's strange and bizarre, some people are so angry, they want those who are responsible be excuted.

Nukes cost money to make and maintain. A lot of money.

So how many nukes would be enough in your opinion? Both the US and Russia have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out the planent many times over. Why does China need to match those numbers?

Furthermore, despite its massive nuclear arsenal, Russia is currently under crippling sanctions. It's economic lifeline, oil, can be wrecked at will by the US. Its overseas interests are under siege, and it has been forced to expend lives and material just to keep their assets from getting wiped out.

Compare this to China, who is expanding its control over the SCS, and the only thing the Americans can do is sail ship in international waters.