China's SCS Strategy Thread

AndrewS

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India cannot afford to lose China's support: Chinese daily

BEIJING: India cannot afford to lose China's support by joining the US in patrolling the disputed South China Sea as it needs Chinese help for economic growth and for success of BRICS, a state-run daily said today.

In the second commentary within a week on the joint patrol issue, an article in the Global Times said: "The New Delhi government pursues pragmatic diplomacy and strives to reach a balance between the US and China. Some interpret New Delhi's refusal (to jointly patrol the SCS) as retaliation against Washington's approval of weapon sales to Islamabad last year."
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AndrewS

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China's Xi says shares 'common destiny' with Vietnam, looks to repair ties

China and Vietnam share a "common destiny", Chinese President Xi Jinping told a visiting Vietnamese envoy, as the two continue to repair ties damaged by their competing claims in the disputed South China Sea.

The two communist-led states claims in the South China Sea came to a head in 2014 when Beijing parked an oil rig in waters off the Vietnamese coast, leading to anti-China riots.

Since then they have exchanged high-level visits, including a trip by Xi to Hanoi last year.

"China and Vietnam share a common destiny, so do the Communist Party of China and the Communist Party of Vietnam," Xi told Hoang Binh Quan, a special envoy of Vietnam's communist party chief Nguyen Phu Trong, state news agency Xinhua said late on Monday.

"Developing bilateral ties conforms to the fundamental interests of the two countries and their people," Xi added.

Last month, tensions heightened between the two nations over territorial sovereignty in the South China Sea after Taiwan and U.S. officials said Beijing had placed surface-to-air missiles on Woody Island, part of the Paracel archipelago which China controls.

Vietnam called China's actions a serious infringement of its sovereignty over the Paracels.

Xi also called for the proper handling of differences between the two nations in order for their "comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership to develop in a sustained, healthy and steady way".

Xi added that China was willing to work with Vietnam to maintain the frequency of high-level visits and to carry on the two countries' important tradition of the party chiefs sending special envoys to communicate with each other.

(Reporting by Jessica Macy Yu; Editing by Ben Blanchard and Joseph Radford)

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Note that a new Vietnamese politburo was decided upon a few weeks ago.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I wouldn't call Ms. Tiezzi an unabashed China basher, because she isn't one. She calls things as she sees them, good and bad. Her articles on China are, in general, fairly well balanced, and she doesn't come across as an irrational ideologue. Push comes to shove, I'd place Tiezzi somewhere in between panda huggers and dragon slayers. Now Bonnie Glaser, on the other hand, is an unabashed dragon slayer.

Ms Tiezzi work for Diplomat the propaganda arm of Japanese government. Whose sole mission is to spread the narrative of big bad China. She probably use Diplomat to gain notoriety and stepping stone to better job with one of the neocon thinks tank like her predecessor Harry Kazianis

Anyway on different tack. I can see this mobile dry dock anchored in one of those newly reclaim island and improve the Chinese fleet reliability

China navy launches first self-propelled floating dock
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February 29, 2016
BEIJING (Reuters) - China's navy has launched its first self-propelled floating dock, giving it the ability to repair warships far from the coast, the official People's Liberation Army Daily said on Tuesday, Beijing's latest move to modernize its navy.

The newspaper said the dock, the Huachuan No. 1, would enable the navy to return damaged ships to fighting capability "in very rapid time" and was designed to be sent into combat zones.

"The ship's launch marks a further breakthrough in shifting repairs to our military's large warships from set spots on the coast to mobility far out at sea," it added, showing a picture of a warship inside the floating dock.

The use of the dock means that ships with minor damage will not have to be taken out of service, while those with severe damage will not have to return to a shipyard, the paper said.

The dock can handle cruisers, destroyers and submarines, but not aircraft carriers, and cope with waves up to 2 meters (6.6 ft) high, it added.

Beijing has invested billions developing its homegrown weapons industry to support its growing maritime ambitions in the disputed South China Sea, the Indian Ocean and the Pacific.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which more than $5 trillion in global trade passes every year. Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan have rival claims.

Beijing has also cast an eye towards foreign markets for its comparatively low-cost technology. Its total military budget in 2015 was 886.9 billion yuan ($141.45 billion), up 10 percent from a year earlier.

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Clarence Fernandez)
 

plawolf

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The floating dock is for operations much further afield in my view.

Any ship in trouble in the SCS can dock at one of China's island bases and make emergency repairs sufficient to get them back to a mainland naval base or shipyard.
 

delft

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The floating dock is for operations much further afield in my view.

Any ship in trouble in the SCS can dock at one of China's island bases and make emergency repairs sufficient to get them back to a mainland naval base or shipyard.
You mean places like Djibouti?
 

plawolf

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You mean places like Djibouti?

Most likely. But that's more the start, rather than the end of it in my view.

It is essentially a mobile dry dock.

That gives any PLAN fleet or base serious long term operational persistence, able to mount major repairs without having to send ships back to a friendly shipyard.

Hell, with the right local support, they could build new warships using the thing if they really wanted to.

Although the most extreme operation such a mobile dock is ever remotely likely to undertake is to cannibalise one ship to repair others, but even that's unlikely unless we are in a WWIII scenario.

The primary rationale and justification for having something like this is to help sustain a fleet, especially submarines, far from friendly shipyard support for extended periods.

In my view, this thing only really comes into its own when you are either in the middle of a major, global war, or if you want to have a sizeable fleet permanently home ported far from friendly shipyards.

Since China isn't going to be fighting any global naval wars anytime soon, the most likely reason for them to invest for something like this is if they want to homeport a decent sized fleet a significant distance from traditional Chinese waters.
 

AndrewS

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After the ruling, if the current Filipino president is in charge, I think he'll probably restart direct talks with China, thinking that the ruling gives him more leverage.

But it doesn't, as China will just say that the court overstepped its remit and China has a decent enough case there. Plus China is being publicly challenged, so it will be very difficult to back down, and China is big enough to weather that storm in a teacup.

So China will just ignore the ruling and continue as before in the SCS, as the court has no way to enforce it. They may even try to make an example of the Philippines.

Then the current Filipino president may try to make a big deal out of it, but it'll be like all the other public tantrums he has thrown in the past few years, which have resulted in no response.

So he or his successor will eventually end up restarting direct talks with China.

What happens next is up for debate.
 

tidalwave

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After the ruling, if the current Filipino president is in charge, I think he'll probably restart direct talks with China, thinking that the ruling gives him more leverage.
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US gonna go banana on this.
warning shots have already been issued.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Hmmwv from cdf just posted of picture of type 56 deploy in Yongxing
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