China's SCS Strategy Thread

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Hehe, Obama and Neocons in the American government forgot their new attack dog, Vietnam, is actually a loose cannon that are just as likely to bite friends as foes. My prediction is Hanoi will become a tar baby and Washington would rue the day it embraced that Communist regime.

Vietnam is actually the one who is aggressively expansionist. Worse, their government has no honour and spits on its own words and promises.

Honourable agreement cannot be made with one who has no honour and a proven track record of reneging on their own word and/or outright lying.

Whatever promises or agreements Washington might have thought they got from the Vietnamese government is worth only as much as toilet paper, because that's what the Vietnamese government will do with those promises and commitments as soon as it suits them.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Hehe, Obama and Neocons in the American government forgot their new attack dog, Vietnam, is actually a loose cannon that are just as likely to bite friends as foes. My prediction is Hanoi will become a tar baby and Washington would rue the day it embraced that Communist regime.

great to see Taiwan actually doing something instead of just sitting on the sidelines twiddling their thumbs! more watercannons taiwan please! ram some viet boats, fire some paintballs! show us you've got a pair!
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Obama's pivot to Asia started all this. I know they're going to lie now and say that the pivot was a result of Chinese aggression. You just have to remember the many times Obama said the pivot wasn't about isolating China. Obama wanted to write his legacy to claim China yielded to him and no other US President who talked of it when they ran for President but did nothing when they reached office. What other things did previous US Presidents say they were going tackle but never did? The environment? Universal health care? Remember, Obama was suppose to be the Green President and now there's Obamacare. Those are all things that make a President's legacy just like taking on China. I've read plenty of times that US advisors to the President on China all say China will yield under pressure of being isolated and left out. The pivot was the isolation and TPP was being left out. How do I know Obama is the instigator? It's Obama's reaction to Chinese actions. China is the aggressor. China is the invader. If that were true how come Japan was disappointed by the US not doing enough to discourage China's actions. If all this was due to Chinese aggression, wouldn't the whole US Navy be there to stop China? Why did the Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Hsien Loong tell the US not to retreat from the pivot to Asia when China was being "aggressive?" Obama acted like someone who knew he started this and it didn't turn out the way he thought it would, being China would yield and surrender from being isolated and left out. His hesitancy in dealing with China that frustrated Japan and alarmed Lee Hsien Loong is because he didn't want to see things get worse after it didn't go as planned. If China started all this and was acting without cause except to serve its own interests, wouldn't the West lead sanctions against China? That didn't happen. Remember when trade between China and Japan plummeted over tensions and Western countries reaped Japan's loss? If China were the invading aggressor, why would Japan's allies exploit Japan's loss in the Chinese market? And the countries China has tensions with aren't going to admit to this because that would mean they're on the side of wrong plotting against China all for a legacy.
 

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Looks like a boat wash to me.:p
 

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I've always liked Peter Lee's articles; he cuts through the non-sense with penetrating research and analysis, and gets to the heart of the issue with a style of writing that is, ... very spicy.

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Great News! The world doesn’t need to worry about the South China Sea!

There has been a concerted campaign to depict the South China Sea (SCS) as an indispensable artery for commercial shipping and, therefore, a justifiable object of US attention and meddling.

This public relations effort is typified by the declaration that “$5 trillion dollars” worth of goods pass through the SCS each year. Reuters, in particular, is addicted to this formula. For instance, two minutes with the Google turned up seven articles filed by five Reuters bureaus throughout Asia-Pacific on PRC misbehavior in the South China Sea in the last month employing the $5 trillion reference.

However, the awkward fact is that the only major power with a vital strategic interest in Freedom of Navigation in the South China Sea is the People’s Republic of China. And the powers actually interested in impeding Freedom of Navigation down there are … pretty much everybody else, led by the United States.

Let’s look at a map, courtesy of Marine Traffic, a most interesting website which offers dynamic real time ship information and some useful historical data free of charge.

If you select the “density map” option and zoom in, you get this view of the busiest shipping routes (green lines) and busiest ports (red blobs) in and around the South China Sea:

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Note that marine traffic in the South China Sea does a few things. First of all, much of it goes, unsurprisingly, to the People’s Republic of China and Hong Kong. Second, Vietnam, Indonesia, Taiwan, and the Philippines are largely served by coast-hugging routes outside the PRC’s dreaded Nine-Dash-Line.

Third, the rest of the traffic that transits the SCS pretty much on a straight line is headed for Japan and South Korea. This would seem to support the perception that Japan and South Korea, our precious allies, need protection against threats to their supply of hydrocarbon-based joy juice, their economies, indeed their national security and ways of life emanating from the overbearing PRC presence on the South China Sea lifeline.

Not quite.

The strategic insignificance of the South China Sea to Japan and the Republic of Korea has been well known since the 1990s, when “energy security” became an explicit preoccupation of Japanese planners.

Here is an insightful passage from a book by Euan Graham, Japan’s Sea Lane Security: A Matter of Life and Death?, published in 2005.

The cost to Japan of a 12-month closure of the South China Sea, diverting oil tankers via the Lombok Strait and east of the Philippines, has been estimated at $200 million. A Japanese estimate puts the cost as basically the same to that imposed by a closure of the Malacca Strait, requiring 15 additional tankers to be added to the route, generating an extra $88 million in shipping costs. This is roughly corroborated by the reported findings of a joint study conducted by the JDA and the Indonesian authorities in the late 1980s, which put the number of extra tankers required to divert around the South China Sea via Lombok and east of the Philippines at 18.

… The volume of oil shipped to Japan from the Middle East is evenly split between Lombok and the Straits of Malacca …

What does two extra days on the water mean? Per Graham,

… Based on an oil import bill of $35 billion in 1997, [a cost of $88 million for diverting through Lombok] accounts for 0.3% of the total.

To update these figures, the oil/tanker market has gone pretty gonzo recently, as everyone is aware. Crude prices have gone down, while tanker rates go up as importers stampede buy cheap strategic reserves and, on occasion, hold the tankers for temporary storage instead of releasing them back into the wild. Most recent shipping figure I could find was about $2.50/barrel from the Gulf to Japan.

Let’s assume $30/barrel crude plus $3/barrel shipping costs. Japan imports about 2 billion barrels per year. That’s $6 billion dollars. And we assume the Lombok route adds 10% or $0.30/barrel to the shipping cost. That’s another $600 million dollars against $60 billion in total crude costs. 1%. By a funny coincidence, $600 million is also about 1% of the annual Japanese defense budget. Japan’s GDP: $4 trillion dollars.

So is Japan going to light off World War III to keep the purportedly vital SCS SLOC open and save 1% on its oil bill?

Here’s one fellow who doesn’t think so:

CSD [Collective Self Defense] will not allow minesweeping ops in SCS/Malacca Strait as unlike Hormuz there are alternative routes.

That’s a statement that notorious appeaser, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, made in the Diet, as reported on Corey Wallace’s Twitter feed.

Republic of Korea: imports less than 1 billion barrels per annum. Cost of the Lombok detour: maybe $270 million.

Bottom line, everybody prefers to use Malacca/South China Sea to get from the Persian Gulf to Japan and South Korea. It’s the straightest, it’s the cheapest, there’s Singapore, and, in fact, shipowners looked at the economics and decided to dial back the construction of “postMalaccamax VLCCs” (Very Large Crude Carriers) so they’d always have the option of going through the Malacca Strait and South China Sea.

But if that route goes blooey, they can always go via Lombok and the Makassar Sea. Just a little bit more expensive.

So, the South China Sea is not a critical sea lane for our primary North Asian allies Japan and the Republic of Korea.

What about the threat to the Antipodes? Core ally Australia? If the PRC shut down the South China Sea, what would that do to Australian exports (other than to China, naturally)?

From Euan Graham’s volume quoted above:

Iron ore and coke shipments from Australia account for most of the cargo moved through the Lombok Strait … Lombok remains the principal route for bulk carriers sailing from Western Australia to Japan.

They use Lombok already!

As to the South China Sea factor, Sam Bateman, a retired Royal Australian Navy commodore who now think-tanks in Singapore,
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a dubious piece of numerology by Bonnie Glaser:

Bonnie Glaser has recently claimed that approximately 60% of Australia’s seaborne trade passes through the South China Sea …

When measured by value, the figure of 60% of our seaborne trade passing through the South China Sea is way off the mark. Based on the latest data for Australia’s overseas trade, it mightn’t even be half that—and about three-quarters of it would be trade to and from China. Thus the notion of a threat to our seaborne trade from China is rather a non-sequitur.

Doing the math …25% of 30% … that’s 7.5% of Australia’s total seaborne trade by value through the South China Sea isn’t going to the PRC. Back of the envelope, that’s A$40 billion, about half of which is back and forth with Singapore, which could be end-arounded by entering the Malacca Strait from the west and avoiding the South China Sea completely. So maybe A$20 billion theoretically at risk in the unlikely event that the PRC decided to close the SCS completely to Australian shipping. By contrast, Australian two-way trade with the PRC: A$152 billion.

If you are wondering why there is a “spirited debate” as to whether confronting the PRC, the biggest customer for Australian ore and real estate, in the South China Sea serves Australia’s national interest, I think you have your answer.

It should be clear by now that the South China Sea as a commercial artery matters a heck of a lot more to … China, unsurprisingly, than it does to Japan, South Korea, Australia, and the United States.

Here’s the funny thing. The South China Sea is becoming less and less important to the PRC as well, as it constructs alternate networks of ports, pipelines, and energy assets.

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Peter Lee runs the China Matters blog. He writes on the intersection of US policy with Asian and world affairs.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Looks like a boat wash to me.:p

a round of applause to
If Taiwan's CG boats there used to be smaller than the one pictured then they deployed these just in time. These bigger boats aren't a particularly dominating size themselves.

i think these boats are stationed on Taiping permanently. ROC coastguard says Viet fishing boats come within 12 nautical miles of Taiping 1-3 times every month.
 

GreenestGDP

Junior Member
Just to highlight that REUTERS, SCMP, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post is a Hegemonic Imperialist Brainwashing Tool for the last 20 years. ~ Reuters, SCMP, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post are all uber and hyper active in undermining and destroying PRC wellbeing as a nation.

SCMP = South China Morning Post

ALiBaBa * Ma Yun has owned SCMP for 2 months now ~ when will Ma Yun start Terminating and Kicking out all those Stinky Sewage Cockroaches reporters, writers, and editors infesting inside SCMP ??

Simultaneously, when the PRC Internal Security department start squeezing the backbone of Shanghai based CAIXIN magazine ( who has been maliciously undermining PRC wellbeing in every field and in writing article on SCS ??
 

GreenestGDP

Junior Member
1) How can ( Japanese Master + Japanese Neocons ) champion Freedom of Navigation in SCS, and at the same time, continuously Smacking and Violating the Basic Human Right of OKINAWAN people -- every single day since 1945 ??

2) When will XINHUA, PEOPLE's Daily, and CCTV start loudly writing and broadcasting the 70+ years / 7+ decades of INJUSTICE, BLIGHT, and SUFFERING of the OKINAWAN people and connecting those dots to DiaoYudao and South China Sea, at minimum 1x per week ??
 
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