China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ACuriousPLAFan]

"China’s new submarine may have Typhon missiles in Philippines in its sights, report says
Vessel being built in Wuhan, designed to carry advanced hypersonic missiles, could serve as deterrent, according to semi-official magazine[...]
The People’s Liberation Army has yet to confirm that the larger class of submarine is under development. But the report in Naval & Merchant Ships – a publication owned by China State Shipbuilding Corporation, a supplier to the PLA Navy – provides details of the vessel’s design and capabilities, indirectly confirming its existence and the rationale behind it.[...]"

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Didn't a certain Tom Shugart claimed that the SSK-N actually sank pier-side sometime mid-last year? So why are they digging this up again?

Either way - The SSK-N is rumored to be equipped with EM torpedo tubes, which should be capable of launching YJ-18B cruise missiles. If Guancha Trio's statement regarding the YJ-18B's strike radius is correct, then the SSK-N wouldn't even need to leave the relative umbrella safety of the PLAN and PLAAF in the northern and central regions of the SCS to target pretty much the entirety of the Philippines.

 

[vincent]

Didn't a certain Tom Shugart claimed that the SSK-N actually sank pier-side sometime mid-last year? So why are they digging this up again?

Either way - The SSK-N is rumored to be equipped with EM torpedo tubes, which should be capable of launching YJ-18B cruise missiles. If Guancha Trio's statement regarding the YJ-18B's strike radius is correct, then the SSK-N wouldn't even need to leave the relative umbrella safety of the PLAN and PLAAF in the northern and central regions of the SCS to target pretty much the entirety of the Philippines.

PLA isn’t gonna use subs to hunt Typhon system, that’s MALE UAV’s job.

 

[GulfLander]

"French aircraft carrier docks in Philippines after joint combat drills in disputed sea"

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[ACuriousPLAFan]

PLA isn’t gonna use subs to hunt Typhon system, that’s MALE UAV’s job.

Hunting enemy land-based platforms/systems using submarines is a fool's errand.

Though, I certainly see the feasibility of utilizing MALE/HALE ISTAR UAVs to search and track enemy land targets for allied submarine(s), while also provide targeting information against those targets for allied submarine(s) to strike with their land-attack missiles.

This is especially true for SSK-Ns and SSNs that are conducting such missions on the high seas and in contested/enemy-controlled environments, of which the MALE/HALE UAVs will be replaced by VLO ISTAR UAVs (e.g. CH-7, Sky Hawk) for similar roles.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

It's really funny how the Jai Pagpags are so flipping happy whenever making or sharing their fantasy maps of balkanized China or showing China as an empty ocean = world peace on Reddit, but gets absolutely triggered when some randos on the Chinese internet copied Trump's Greenland-Initiative onto Palawan Island:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893937054850891974

Let's be real - Just like (or worse than) India, the Philippines never was a unified country until the arrival of the Spaniards (whom actually named that country after a Spanish king). So it's quite hilarious when they think think they have true soverignty, when their so-called "sovereignty" is actually "given" by the Americans.

Pathetic.

 

[BoraTas]

It's really funny how the Jai Pagpags are so flipping happy whenever making or sharing their fantasy maps of balkanized China or showing China as an empty ocean = world peace on Reddit, but gets absolutely triggered when some randos on the Chinese internet copied Trump's Greenland-Initiative onto Palawan Island:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893937054850891974

Let's be real - Just like (or worse than) India, the Philippines never was a unified country until the arrival of the Spainards (whom actually named that country after a Spanish king). So it's quite hilarious when they think think they have true soverignty, when their so-called "sovereignty" is actually "given" by the Americans.

Pathetic.

Their crybully oscillation really gets me. China is a coward paper tiger whenever it doesn't do anything. And it is a brutal imperialist whenever it retaliates. An utterly contemptible behavior pattern.

The Philippines is really one of those countries China should be systematically vile against.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Their crybully oscillation really gets me. China is a coward paper tiger whenever it doesn't do anything. And it is a brutal imperialist whenever it retaliates. An utterly contemptible behavior pattern.

The Philippines is really one of those countries China should be systematically vile against.

They’ll stop once the DC elites are forced to study XJP Thought 12 hours a day, which draws closer every time Trump signs a new executive order

 

[Biscuits]

Their crybully oscillation really gets me. China is a coward paper tiger whenever it doesn't do anything. And it is a brutal imperialist whenever it retaliates. An utterly contemptible behavior pattern.

The Philippines is really one of those countries China should be systematically vile against.

The Philippines mocked the Spanish until Spaniards massacred them on an industrial scale, now they love Spanish

The Philippines mocked the Americans until Americans massacred them on an industrial scale, now they love American

The Philippines mocked the Japanese until Japanese massacred them on an industrial scale, now they love Japanese

Some cultures simply remain stuck in the ways of the jungle. China has been so busy getting itself efficent that it partially forgot there's a jungle just outside the door. But as you can see with public sentiment in China already changing, you have these 20-30 yr old new grads who are ready for a might makes right stance. In 10-20 years, they'll be the key mid level decision makers. I'm happy netizens can already put up for example Palawan on the table, after all, why shouldn't any part of any hostile country not be at risk?

I would want to say that it will not be a good time to be a tribal compradors style Pinoy then. But they don't see things the way normal peoples do, they have national masochism where somehow every atrocity just rebounds into even greater love for the perpetrator. So it will actually be a great time to be pinoy, the greatest maybe.

 

[lych470]

I'm still waiting for the comparative analysis of analogous live fire exercises conducted by various states over time that demonstrates either how unprecedented and outrageous or, alternatively, how entirely unremarkable the recent conduct of PLAN vessels in the Tasman Sea actually was. That nobody appears both equipped and motivated to build a case for either of those positions is itself rather suggestive.

Apparently there's nothing to see, it's all within international law.

Take a deep breath': Marles advice on Chinese warships​

By Courtney Gould​

Richard Marles was quizzed about the Chinese live-fire drill by reporters in Geelong. (ABC News)
Defence Minister Richard Marles also held a press conference a short time ago in Geelong, where he was again pressed about the response to the Chinese navy's live-fire drill.
We learned in estimates yesterday that defence was alerted to the exercise from aviation authorities half and hour after it began. NZ defence force relayed a warning around an hour later.
Marles reiterated his defence of how Australia handled the situation when asked if the notification delay highlighted any inadequacies in the process.
"No, it's been an example of how we've been able to surveil this task group in an unprecedented way. We will closely watch the task group for as long as they are in the vicinity of Australia," he said.
Earlier, Marles argued the delay was fine because China was conducting a drill, and it "wasn't a real incident".
Speaking to reporters in Geelong, the defence minister says people need to "take a deep breath".
"Our touchstone has to be international law. The Chinese task group, as I am advised, is complying with international law.

"And why that matters is because there is actually a greater frequency of naval vessels closer to China than there are Chinese vessels close to Australia.
"We rely heavily on international law to be there and it matters that we are there because that is where our trade routes are. That’s why international law has to be our touchstone."

 

[siegecrossbow]

Apparently there's nothing to see, it's all within international law.

Take a deep breath': Marles advice on Chinese warships​

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By Courtney Gould​

Richard Marles was quizzed about the Chinese live-fire drill by reporters in Geelong. (ABC News)
Defence Minister Richard Marles also held a press conference a short time ago in Geelong, where he was again pressed about the response to the Chinese navy's live-fire drill.
We learned in estimates yesterday that defence was alerted to the exercise from aviation authorities half and hour after it began. NZ defence force relayed a warning around an hour later.
Marles reiterated his defence of how Australia handled the situation when asked if the notification delay highlighted any inadequacies in the process.
"No, it's been an example of how we've been able to surveil this task group in an unprecedented way. We will closely watch the task group for as long as they are in the vicinity of Australia," he said.
Earlier, Marles argued the delay was fine because China was conducting a drill, and it "wasn't a real incident".
Speaking to reporters in Geelong, the defence minister says people need to "take a deep breath".
"Our touchstone has to be international law. The Chinese task group, as I am advised, is complying with international law.

Sounds like China can get closer next time. Maybe straddle the line at 14 nautical miles from Sydney?