China's SCS Strategy Thread

Micron

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"Indonesia sent a Chinese ship packing, escalating a fight over oil and gas in the South China Sea

Indonesia said it drove a Chinese coast-guard ship out of its waters in the South China Sea.
It said the Chinese ship disrupted an Indonesian oil and gas company surveying the waters.
China claims almost the whole sea as its own territory, which its neighbors and the West dispute."

The title is kinda "propagandistic", like using word "packing", to stir emotions?

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The tone of the language is indeed very provocative and intentional.
The very fact that CCG vessel sailed away means that China is not contesting any claim at Natuna EEZ.
The CCG is just an observer and do not threatened Indonesia.
Didn't the IAT ruled that these islands have no EEZ but only restricted to 12NM sea-border?
Historically the island of Natuna belongs to Malaysia.
The Islanders are in fact Kelantanese.
 

GulfLander

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The tone of the language is indeed very provocative and intentional.
The very fact that CCG vessel sailed away means that China is not contesting any claim at Natuna EEZ.
The CCG is just an observer and do not threatened Indonesia.
Didn't the IAT ruled that these islands have no EEZ but only restricted to 12NM sea-border?
Historically the island of Natuna belongs to Malaysia.
The Islanders are in fact Kelantanese.
China did protested before, 2021.. i think its a contested area, still?

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antiterror13

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Go Vietnam.

more Vietnam builds, the more China can use as excuse to build more of its own.

these bases were always aimed at U.S. military and its allies.

Right, there is no way Vietnamese Navy targeting Chinese Navy in SCS ... I think there is an agreement between China and Vietnam .. soon China will expand the islands massively
 

Micron

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China did protested before, 2021.. i think its a contested area, still?

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This matter was already settled amicably between China and Indonesia way back in 2015.
This was the only territorial spat between China and Indonesia. However China vision is beyond a single tree.
The present problem today with Indonesia is, they do not agreed and is ignoring Philippines IAT's ruling that the EEZ do not applied for these islands.
LMAO US a non signatory to UNCLOS support Philippines and claimed the ruling as international law.
Indonesia in strictly enforcing it's 200NM EEZ has raised the problem of fishing right between Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and China.
In the last few years, Indonesia have confiscated many Vietnamese fishing boats.
As I opined earlier on, China CCG is only there as an observer after all US and allies have claimed that this is international water. China CCG left to avoid useless confrontation with a friendly state.
 

GulfLander

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Zhang Youxia probably asked why the rush in building these islands.
Will those airstrips be source of problem for CN in future?

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"Uproar in Malaysia after China flags waved at Perak cultural event
Communications Minister Fahmi Fadzil urged people to avoid making racially-charged comments over the incident"
"The Malaysian public has been cautioned against inciting racial sentiments about a cultural event where Chinese flags were publicly displayed in Perak state’s Teluk Intan or risk being investigated. Communications Minister Fahmi Fadzil said his ministry is monitoring the issue and would leave it to the police for further probe. “I have read some comments related to 3R (race, religion, royalty) on social media platforms such as TikTok and Facebook about this issue. “I want to remind all to refrain from making any comments that are inciting in nature or related to 3R, especially relating to race."

""The Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) is monitoring this and also working with the police to identify those who make inciting remarks about it,” he said on Saturday. Earlier, Fahmi was at the Malaysia International Healthcare (MIH) Megatrends 2024 where MCMC announced partnerships with several parties to drive healthcare innovation."
(Which entity could be behind it?)

"“We are aware of the statement made by the Perak police chief. We will leave it to the police to conduct an investigation,” he added. On Friday, Perak police chief Commissioner Azizi Mat Aris said the cultural event had violated conditions under the Peaceful Assembly Act."
"The event was meant to celebrate the deity Guan Gong, who is worshipped by Taoists as god of war and wealth."


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So they think it could be sovereignity issue, just by waving flag???
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How the ethnic harmony in Malaysia anyway?
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THIS kinda reminds of the initial anti China activities in the PHilippines before.. tho not exactly. . But maybe to stir animosity? Or maybe not intentional, who knows.. This article from 2019... where some entities/individuals seem to hav asked vendors to sell CN flags in PH parks, then used it for to stir anti CN sentiment or narratives..
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One active Malaysian on this issue seem to be this guy...
UMNO Youth chief Datuk Dr Muhamad Akmal Saleh(?)" is a
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and doctor who has served as Member of the
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(EXCO) in the
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(BN) state administration under Chief Minister
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since April 2023 for the second term and under former Chief Minister
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from November 2021 to March 2023 for the first term as well as a Member of the
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(MLA) for
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since November 2021. He is a member of the
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(UMNO), a component party of the BN coalition. He has served as the 15th
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of UMNO and Division Chief of UMNO
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since March 2023.

In December 2023, the Melaka sessions court ordered state executive councilor Dr Akmal Saleh to pay RM45,000 in damages to his elder brother after finding him liable for defamation. Dr Solehin Saleh filed the suit against Akmal in September 2023. In the claim, Solehin said his brother had, in a Facebook post on Aug 26, 2022, libeled him by describing him as an individual in debt and claiming he had maliciously posted negative comments about Akmal using a fake account. Solehin claimed the comments implied that he was a cheat, immoral, lacking in integrity, and an irresponsible elder brother." wikipedia


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The article said :
"“Even more troubling – if we look closely – Dr Akmal often raises sensitive issues that disunite Malaysians, thus making him a very controversial leader,” he pointed out in a media statement.


“As a leader, he should represent all races in this country as well as rigorously pursue check and balance so as not to disappoint or hurt any race in Malaysia.”"

"Friendly fire: DAP Youth leader slams Akmal over China flags kerfuffle
Umno Youth chief Dr Muhamad Akmal Saleh’s response to the issue of China flags being waved during a festival in Teluk Intan has irked a DAP Youth leader, who accused Akmal of playing to the opposition’s tune.

DAP Youth national varsity affairs bureau director Ho Chi Yang claimed that Akmal’s remarks were only furthering rumours spread by PAS against the Guan Gong cultural festival and fanning racial tensions.
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There seems to be some issues about him before:

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plawolf

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Have you considered the possibility China doesn't want to build more islands right now, and Vietnam is forcing China's hand. Personally though I'm in favour of building more islands, just pointing it out.

The deciding factor that makes China’s SCS islands an entirely different league to everyone else’s isn’t their size or location, but the might of the PLAN and PLAAF backing them up.

Vietnamese island bases are no threat because should hostilities break out, they will become Chinese island bases in very short order as Chinese long range attacks and interdiction of supplies and reinforcements will render them useless and easily taken by PLA marines at very low cost.
 

AndrewS

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I can't tell if this is next level cope or 4d chess :p

Remember that in a worse case scenario, the US will be trying to shut down trade in the SCS, whilst China will be trying to keep those sea lanes open.

Vietnam is a coastal nation that depends on the sea lanes in the SCS, and Vietnam will almost certainly be neutral in a US-China conflict.

So if anything, those Vietnamese SCS bases will be tacitly supporting China in keeping the SCS sea lanes open.
 

GulfLander

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" "We have issues with all of our neighbors, but why single out China?" Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim dismissed a baiting question from Al Jazeera journalist Mehdi Hasan about the South China Sea.

He said Malaysia would continue to negotiate with neighbors through bilateral and multilateral mechanisms, including ASEAN, to peacefully address disputes."


Remember that in a worse case scenario, the US will be trying to shut down trade in the SCS, whilst China will be trying to keep those sea lanes open.

Vietnam is a coastal nation that depends on the sea lanes in the SCS, and Vietnam will almost certainly be neutral in a US-China conflict.

So if anything, those Vietnamese SCS bases will be tacitly supporting China in keeping the SCS sea lanes open.
If they block Malacca, will Iran, Saudi, Pak get involve?
 
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