China's panzerfaust, a really small RPG

I think you should let it rest now panda, All of us that have actually been in army have given their somewhat united obinion about this weapon, its not practically usefull. Similar systems like LAWs and disposable LAWs are far better suited for infantry emergy AT work and even those are, based on expereince hard to aim and shoot exspecially to moving targets. And those have superior handeling capabilities.

The accuracy of this thing vs. normal LAWs quite close to the relatively accuracy differences between rifle and pistol. The ergonomics used for the chinese weapons are similar to pistol shooting (hand stretched to its longest reach position and held stable) and LAWs have somewhat rifleish ergonomics (the weapon can be supported to your body) I doesen't need military backround to figure out wich one is sharper...

So panda, If you don't have any sudden rise of expereince with infantry AT weapons, you stop your silly counter-arguing based on nothing else than nationality issues. Understood?

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Chinese quotation armor pentration in incident angle from perpendicular, where 0 deg is head on. Usually they give the maximum angle that the weapon can be used, such as 62, 65, or 68 degrees. For example the 120mm PF98 is quoted as 800mm head on, 230mm at 68 degrees. For the type 69 (reverse engineered from RPG-7 with 300-400mm headon) the figure is given as 120mm at 65 degrees. Similarly with the AT-4 class PF89 (600mm headon, 180mm at 65deg). Therefore the type 79 (100 mm at 65 degrees) can knock out T34 pretty much any way you fire it, and T72 anywhere but the front.

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I'm quite interested how did you figured that Chinese measure armor penetration that way?
Penetration is measured by ability of warhead to penetrate equivalent of steal plate(in mm) at angle and at 90 degrees.

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Romel, that's why -- and you seem to not want hear this -- you fire the thing INSIDE the trench, by looking at the target through a refractive mirror, when the Soviets tank rush you! Pretty clever if you ask me.

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Ok so you are sitting in the trench facing Soviet mech division at full speed and you will not only try to use weapon with poor accuracy and lousy penetration capability as it is but you will also aim it using mirror? Really clever…

Hmm, the idea of it as an RPG is justifibly compromised, but is it possible to fit this thing's warhead as a rifle grenade?

I mean, it is claimed to be able to kill 72s from all but front, and with 180/65 rating it is better than current rifle grenades. It's just heavier. You think it's too heavy for a rifle grenade or no?

(Need of fully loaded blank charge shots?)

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１９７９年式７０ｍｍ手持反坦克火箭简称７９式手持火箭，是一种单兵使用、手持发射的轻小型反坦克破甲武器，该武器于１９７５年立项开始研制，１９７９年定型生产并装备部队。

７９式手持火箭主要用于击毁近距离敌中型、轻型坦克、装甲车辆、自行火炮、土木工事、碉堡等目标。该武器是一种一次性使用、一筒一弹的反坦克武器，具有结构简单、体积小、质量轻、单手发射、携带方便等突出特点，因此在山地、丛林战中更能发挥其机动灵活的特性。它既适于装备侦察兵和特种部队，也适于大量装备步兵分队，可有效提高步兵近战、夜战和徒步反坦克、反装甲作战能力。[ 转自铁血军事 ]

７９式手持火箭的研制成功是当时我国单兵轻小型破甲武器研制的一项骄傲之举。１９８０年代中期以后，曾进行过多次改进，使其直射距离由６０ｍ提高到１００ｍ。


◆系统组成


７９式手持火箭全系统由火箭弹和发射筒两部分组成。

火箭弹有破甲弹和破甲杀伤弹两个弹种。破甲弹利用高能炸药爆轰药形罩，使药形罩形成金属射流，击穿装甲钢板，并产生后效，杀伤装甲钢板后的有生力量。破甲杀伤弹除具有破甲弹效能外，还可以产生７００个有效杀伤元向四处飞散，杀伤目标周围１２ｍ内的有生力量。

破甲弹由战斗部、火箭发动机、点火机构、尾翼组成。战斗部由风帽、定位环、弹壳、炸药、隔板和引信组成。战斗部为７０ｍｍ直径的空心装药战斗部，采用机械触发式弹底引信；单锥药形罩采用紫铜板冲压成型，装３０５ｇ炸药。弹尾设有６片尾翼，封装时尾翼折叠在发射筒内，出筒后靠弹簧力张开，翼展为１１２－１１６ｍｍ。

火箭发动机为整体单喷管结构，即燃烧室和喷管是一体的。该发动机由连接螺、燃烧室、发射药、挡药板和喷管塞组成。发射药为速燃双基单孔型，共１９根，质量２６．２ｇ。喷管被喷管塞堵住，以保证一定的起始压力，使发射药充分燃烧。连接螺既是战斗部和发动机的连接件，又是发动机的点火机构，上面装有底火、点火药盒、防回火机构和火箭定位销。定位销保证底火对准发射筒上的击针，击发后，底火火焰通过一个带点火药盒的防回火装置（该装置采用单向截留原理，防止火药燃气由底火孔喷出）点燃点火药盒的黑火药，进而点燃发射药。发动机起始压力达到一定值时，喷管塞被吹出，火箭弹飞出发射筒。[ 转自铁血军事 ]

破甲杀伤弹结构与破甲弹基本相同，只是其战斗部采用主、副药柱加隔板结构，并在主药柱外面的破片套内设有７００个直径３ｍｍ的钢珠。

发射筒采用聚碳酸酯工程塑料注塑成型，质量轻，强度高，携行方便，使用手感舒适。前部外径７７ｍｍ，后部外径４２ｍｍ，两端设有带橡胶环的密封防潮盖，筒身上装有击发机构和瞄准装置。击发机构主要有扳机、扳机轴、击锤（带有击针）、击锤簧、保险销、保险簧、钢珠和运输保险拉环组成。瞄准装置由镜座、支撑机构、分化镜、准星组成。分化镜为一透明分划板，既是目镜也是物镜，镜面上有５０ｍ、７０ｍ、１００ｍ、１３０ｍ的射距分划和概略测距分划。平时，分划镜折叠在发射筒上，发射前竖起，逆时针旋转４５°（左手发射时顺时针旋转４５°）。在立柱簧作用下，分划镜会自动卡入支撑斜槽内，即可瞄准射击。为了防止水分由击针孔进入发射筒，平时击发机构由一个橡胶防潮罩密封。


◆射击操作


先打开前后密封盖，掀掉击发机构密封防潮罩，拉出运输保险销，抬起击锤，则火箭弹处于待发状态；射手手持（左右手均可）发射筒，使手指处于扳机上方，准备发射；竖起分划镜，旋转４５°并将分划镜嵌入槽内，将测距分划对准目标，测出目标距离，同时赋予发射筒一定射向。手指压动扳机，击针打击底火，底火火焰经传火通道引燃点火药，点火药瞬时点燃火箭发射药，产生高压燃气，将喷管塞从喷口高速喷出。高速喷出的火药燃气的反作用力将火箭弹推出发射筒。当火箭弹脱离发射筒时，尾翼后端的６片尾翼同时张开，使火箭弹稳定向前飞行（发射或准备发射时，火箭的头部、尾部不能对准自己或友人）。

火箭弹飞出发射筒一定距离后，引信保险解脱，火箭弹击中目标时，火箭弹前端的风帽可牢牢啃住目标，防止滑脱，引信在惯性作用下发火，并瞬时引爆高能炸药，产生破甲、杀伤效能。


◆深得军队肯定[ 转自铁血军事 ]


７９式手持火箭武器系统先后在沈阳、兰州、新疆三个军区的一线部队进行射击试验。试验结果：５０ｍ射距上，对固定目标命中率为８４％，对运动目标的命中率为６９％，对１００ｍｍ厚、倾斜５５°—６０°的靶板射击，破甲率为９５％。对Ｔ－３４坦克射击，各部位均能穿透；对Ｔ－７２坦克除正面外其余部位均可穿透。

参试部队一致认为，手持反坦克火箭是步兵反坦克的有效武器，武器结构简单，容易掌握，便于携带，机动性好。

参加试验部队的师、团级领导评价说：用＂三件宝＂（炸药包、爆破筒和反坦克手榴弹）打坦克，指挥员心里没底，战土没把握，有了手持反坦克火箭这件好武器，指挥员心里就踏实了，战斗员的信心和决心就更大了。他们当时认为，手持火箭是部队急需的好武器，因为我军步兵对付坦克一般依托网状阵地，采用小群多路、穿插分割、四面包围，用３－４件武器打一辆坦克的战法，手持反坦克火箭正适用于该战法。它可单手从墙角伸出发射，也可在堑壕中单手举过头顶发射，还可对较远距离的目标进行单手过肩瞄准发射。总之，其灵活的单手发射方式，可达到隐蔽消灭敌目标的目的。参加试验的王进富战士说：＂这个东西真不错，用起来方便，在战壕里躲起来，敌人发现不了，坦克过来了，全连一起上，想怎么打就怎么打。＂

总部首长在多次了解和观看了７９式手持火箭试验后指出：＂小火箭（指７９式手持反坦克火箭）装备部队，不占人员编制，不影响其他武器的使用；有利于对付敌集群坦克，适合人民战争和近战要求，谁都可以用。一个连背上几百发，你有集群坦克，我有集群火箭，可以以群对群！＂

当年，总部首长将７９式手持火箭情况向叶剑英元帅进行了汇报，叶帅讲：＂打坦克可以从几个方面打，……使用近距离的武器，如刚才讲的小火箭（指７９式手持反坦克火箭），近距离、短距离都可以打，要发明这些东西，是打坦克的好武器，这是我们的秘密武器。＂

为了备战，当时工兵研制出了挖战壕，的机器，称为掘壕机，其挖掘战壕速度快，省人省力，当时在北京给叶帅进行表演。叶帅观看完表演后又一次指出：＂掘壕机与小火箭（指７９式手持反坦克火箭）相结合，具有战略意义！＂

This device would look fine in a third class action movie because the hero can blow up two enemy tanks simultaneously, fairing with both hand two such a weapon.
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maybe not the best work but I am tiring

gee, it's just something with similar size and weight but better than a normal hand grenade, that's the objective of this design. What are you guys arguing for.

zaky said:

maybe not the best work but I am tiring

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lol very nice.

zaky said:

maybe not the best work but I am tiring

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It is quite comical to give such a device to frontline soldiers, could be useful though for guerilla warefare type action against bunkers and other structures.

Well, at that time the frontlilne soldiers got worse than that. But anyway, they finally chose to copy RPG instead of this thing.