You seems to be obsessed by something. If two people speaking different language (as I have been repeatedly telling you),
what is the difference between whether you don't get me, or I don't get you?
You seem to refuse to disengage by accepting that we share no common ground for a meaningful discussion. But insist on asserting "others are wrong and I am right". That is very childish.
If you have to "win", I grant it to you, you "win", alright? Happy?
Regarding the conqueror mindset, I have no clue what you are talking about. I am pro-establishment, pro-stability, whether that is conqueror mindset I don't care, that is our difference? If it is then being accused by you doesn't make me feel bad or wrong, it is my choice.
Nah, we are both speaking English and are able to understand each other quite well. I know exactly what you are trying to claim in this thread. On the other hand, you refusing to accept reason is not the same as you being unable to understand some kind of common "language". You are just using this claim as a smoke screen to avoid facing the reality of the situation that you are forcing an identity upon a people who may or may not actually wish to have such an identity, and have made all kinds of (utterly failed) excuses why you should have this right. You also conveniently failed to respond to how you would honestly respond to another nation trying to assimilate Chinese people if China were the country who was conquered and under assimilation; I assume because you would then be forced to admit your hypocrisy on this issue. I have defeated every last one of your assertions in this thread as well as those of the others. If you disagree (ANY of you), please feel free to point out anything that I missed and why you didn't actually lose the battle of reason here.
The bottom line is this: China conquered Tibet (multiple times), a nation and people who clearly did not wish to be conquered. China is now assimilating Tibet, possibly against its wishes and enforcing an identity upon Tibet and Tibetans, possibly against their wishes. None of you want to know whether this "possibly" is a "probably" or even an "actuality", because what you want is to achieve Chinese assimilation regardless of how Tibetans themselves feel. I also suspect that you people are utterly hypocritical in your beliefs, such that if China was the one who was conquered and under assimilation, you would NOT feel that assimilation by the conqueror was moral or just and would oppose it vehemently, and call anyone who cooperated with the conquerors "traitors".
For every Czechoslovakia, I can give you Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Georgia, Sudan, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Thailand, India, East Timor, Philippines, Libya, etc
It is easy for you who live in a rich country to say everyone should be able to have self-determination. How much sufferings you think you will cause?
Oh please. You have yet to demonstrate how any kind of Yugloslavia or Georgian or whatever scenario could actually occur in China rather than a more orderly process as seen in Czechoslovakia or Scotland.
He can't even understand the nature of legal citizenship and thought it was something I made up, there's indeed no point trying to reason with him. But he does like to throw words like "you're scared" etc. to show that he "wins" the argument, which would be quite effective if we are children I guess.
What a hilarious statement coming from someone who lacks this understanding himself.
How do you know what they want to be called? you go into China, i doubt you will find anyone who dare not to call themselves Tibetan Chinese. Outside china, ethnic Tibetan can call themselves whatever they want.
What choice do they have except to accept? did the south Vietnamese who flee the north's advance have a choice? What choice did the Cubans who fled Castro have? What choice did Mexico had when the US annexed Texas and California? What choice did China had when Japan annexed Okinawa? If China is to fall, what choice will the Chinese have except to accept? You forget Wang Jingwei, Wang Kemin, Chuandao Fangzi, Demchugdongrub who all gave up to be Chinese to be Japanese subjects.
It is also not just WW2 and Japan, Wu Sangui did not only open the gate to allow the passage of the Manchu army, the also pledge his loyalties to the Manchus and helped perused and defeat significantly all remaining Ming forces. Similarly, Liu Heima and Shi Tianze defected to the mongols from the Song.
I see. So what you are saying is that the Ming rebels who rose up against the Yuan and the various factional rebels who rose up against the Qing were out of their minds and that they should have accepted the rule of the Yuan and Qing like obedient little serfs. "What choice did they have except to accept" indeed LOL. And you forget that Wang Jingwei, Wang Kemin, Chuandao Fangzi, Demchugdongrub, Liu Heima, and Shi Tianze are ALL (every last one of them) viewed as TRAITORS by people like yourselves. And yet why should any of you view these people as traitors when they were only doing what YOU say that Tibetans should be doing right now, which is to cooperate with the conqueror and accept the "brutality of history"? Hmmmm?? Looks like double standards to me.
At the end of most chinese dynasties, the mass suicide of population and officials who cannot adapt to the conquering ethnic group is common and documented. - just like what happened when the US defeated Japan. So, yes, those who accept will survive, those who reject will die.
Actually, "those who reject" went on to become leaders in the subsequent dynasties, or in the PRC and the ROC, so I don't know what you are talking about here about dying.
NO they are NOT conquered people or land no matter how much you want to spin it. They have been a part of China long BEFORE the post WW2, the Yuan era, and the Qing era. As a result your question is does not qualify as a legit example. You are just too stuck and brain washed by all those Dalai Lama and his separatist movements to split China drama. So now that we know where you stand (on the wrong side of history and argument) you have proven yourself to do everything in your power to split China, therefore you are either trolling or don't know the reality of Chinese and Chinese-Tibetans are living side by side in peace as one nation and government. I don't know why you hated the CPC so much when the Dalai Lama was under control of Tibet many of them became serfs starved to death. Their living conditions were poor and future horrendous if they are born from a lower class.
Oh, they were part of China BEFORE the Yuan even??? Please link and quote ANY source which indicates that Tibet was part of China before the Mongols came and conquered them. Please link and quote ANY source which indicates that Tibet was part of China during the Ming dynasty before the Manchurians came and conquered them. You are the one who is stuck and brainwashed here to the point of now even fabricating completely false statements in order to justify your unjustifiable views. You definitely stand on the wrong side of history here, and you have never made any convincing argument to support your beliefs in this thread. Care to try again, or even just back up anything you have said so far??
